Although I see a lot of people complaining about griefing and things of that nature I believe it would be a better idea to re-evaluate a lot of quests and RP motivation in this game instead of allowing subjective decisions from Admins. The reason there is so much "griefing" is because there are a lot of quests designed to harass and damage enemy cities/communes. Such as Demon Lords, Supernals, Dwarves, Gorgogs, the Catacomb Orc quest, etc. Don't get me wrong, these do make the game much more enjoyable compared to other games where there isn't a way to directly attack an enemy city/commune. However, Lusternia seems to have the cities/communes completely opposed to each other through beliefs and the whole Taint and anti-Taint conflict. Granted, this may not have been in the original design but that is where the players have taken it by the way they interpretted their RP. This causes so much "griefing" to take place because the characters in opposing cities/communes downright -hate- each other. Which can even be seen through people on these forums making personal attacks and whatnot. I think we need more events that don't force us to move together such as the Soulless attack like the Kethuru event, but maybe more events that actually allow us to be tolerate each other more. Granted, this will be difficult and won't happen overnight which was shown by the release of Glomdoring. Serenwilde's RP had to bend to all the ongoing changing with quests and how the game mechanics caused Glomdoring to be forced to kill Fae to bind them. This caused a lot of conflict to begin with and even though the quest mechanics changed the Serenwilde couldn't forget about what Glomdoring had to do. Anyways, I believe a big problem is that a lot of these quests and raiding allow people to basically completely drive enemy cities/communes into the ground. Which can be seen from various instances throughout the past year such as Magnagora losing the Necromentate and being forced to be spend real life days trying to repair all the damage done. However, I do know that these quests aren't the only way to be a "griefer." Massive playerkilling is another problem that stems from the hatred of those of enemy cities/communes. This allows people to kill their enemies just because they are a member of that city/commune. This basically causes being a member of a city/commune to be a liability.

Unless it was a fluke, I don't remember going into Stewartsville excep to attack people who were shooting me with a cudgel. Whereas others may have instigated the violence, the point is simply that people would rally to one room outside the village... a group would sit one room away... the group inside the village would eventually get bored, rush, get slaughtered, and then claim they were raided.

The entire time, they could have just not left the village and as such, would have never died.

The complaints I received was never about a denizen being killed but the fact that they prayed on the road.

Although I see a lot of people complaining about griefing and things of that nature I believe it would be a better idea to re-evaluate a lot of quests and RP motivation in this game instead of allowing subjective decisions from Admins. The reason there is so much "griefing" is because there are a lot of quests designed to harass and damage enemy cities/communes.

It's very stressful to have a large enemy group with several well-known raiders sitting very near your territory. Please don't claim that you don't know that. We've all been pretty good about keeping this objective.

During the last Conflict Poll, most people seemed to indicate that they wanted to keep these quests.

But the thing is, what was really being raided? There was nothing to go gain from raiding Stewartsville. Hell, it eventually became like a game:

"I bet we can sit one room outside of Stewartsville, they'll attack us, and then rush to their deaths." - honest to god, it was quite baffling.

However, I think the point was clearly that whereas people may look at those quests and say: these add flavor, I love the potential, they were really neat, etc... they are the "secret source" of hatred that spills over.

Hours of fun for all.  In truth, these are the kinds of situations I'd like to be done with.  What a waste of time doing nothing.

But the thing is, what was really being raided? There was nothing to go gain from raiding Stewartsville. Hell, it eventually became like a game:

"I bet we can sit one room outside of Stewartsville, they'll attack us, and then rush to their deaths." - honest to god, it was quite baffling.

However, I think the point was clearly that whereas people may look at those quests and say: these add flavor, I love the potential, they were really neat, etc... they are the "secret source" of hatred that spills over.

Long post.

How is this *not* griefing?    And as I said, we "rushed out" about twice.  Every other time I was there... the other eight or so occasions I had the honour to experience... we sat inside until all the people outside got bored.

I believe everyone who answered that poll intimately knew how the quests worked and weren't just merely 'looking at them'. I am not sure what you mean by "secret source" of hatred. I just don't buy the spin that it is the quest system that is 'forcing' people to compete to the degree that they grief.

To get back on track: If the admin see 1 or 2 individuals causing a great deal of grief, should we step in? We aren't going to change the entire quest system because of 1 or 2 individuals cause grief over it. The bottom line is that whatever systems there are or aren't, there will always be people who will push the envelope to cause grief. That's life. The question is how do we deal with it, if at all.

I'm curious what the admin think of my idea.