Unknown2005-11-05 17:44:39
Yeah. What chemical reaction is it that allows Nihilists to bond to Demons and harnass their dark powers to slaughter magic-wielding angels?
*Cough*
*Cough*
Unknown2005-11-05 18:01:32
QUOTE(Skeaton @ Nov 5 2005, 12:24 PM)
Wrong.
Carbon based lifeforms are just the only "organic" substances we know of, if that was in deed the only qualifying reagent then diamonds snfd graphite would be organic. If anything silicon based life forms are just as viable as carbon based ones from a chemical stand point, with a little prodding they can make the same rediculouly large chains that carbon makes, and these carbon chains is what makes life possible. Just becouse all organic organisms we "know" of are based on carbon does not mean that this is the qualifying factor. Believe me.
Carbon based lifeforms are just the only "organic" substances we know of, if that was in deed the only qualifying reagent then diamonds snfd graphite would be organic. If anything silicon based life forms are just as viable as carbon based ones from a chemical stand point, with a little prodding they can make the same rediculouly large chains that carbon makes, and these carbon chains is what makes life possible. Just becouse all organic organisms we "know" of are based on carbon does not mean that this is the qualifying factor. Believe me.
217539
I think Narsrim was quite right in his statement that organic meant 'carbon based'. But, that was Chemistry, sophmore year of High School. So it's been a few years.
However, nonetheless! Lucidians are far from 'organic', in any sense of the word. Alive? Sure. They're walking crystal.
I don't think Lucidians should have to eat - sleep should be recovered via meditation, and sustenance be recovered via basking in the sunlight. But that's just me!
Unknown2005-11-05 18:02:22
QUOTE(Temporary_Guido @ Nov 5 2005, 12:44 PM)
Yeah. What chemical reaction is it that allows Nihilists to bond to Demons and harnass their dark powers to slaughter magic-wielding angels?
*Cough*
*Cough*
217546
The same that lets me kill Earth and Tidal lords, as well as angels and demons, without an ounce of pity.
Lisaera2005-11-05 19:26:49
Just wait until the lucidians realise they're actually an arsenic-based lifeform, and all you people who have been licking them are dying slowly.
Xenthos2005-11-05 19:29:36
QUOTE(Lisaera @ Nov 5 2005, 03:26 PM)
Just wait until the lucidians realise they're actually an arsenic-based lifeform, and all you people who have been licking them are dying slowly.
217571
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Unknown2005-11-05 22:14:38
QUOTE(Lisaera @ Nov 5 2005, 02:26 PM)
Just wait until the lucidians realise they're actually an arsenic-based lifeform, and all you people who have been licking them are dying slowly.
217571
I want a grabtongue emote. When done within a few seconds of someone licking you (I'd have this shizzit triggered), you grab their tongue and threaten to tear it out.
On that note, can I have a teartongue action? It would do the above threat.
Asarnil2005-11-05 22:33:02
QUOTE(Lisaera @ Nov 6 2005, 05:56 AM)
Just wait until the lucidians realise they're actually an arsenic-based lifeform, and all you people who have been licking them are dying slowly.
217571
Oh if this feature were true, I would turn Lucidian instantly just for the random arsenic deaths it would cause the people who annoy me the most.
thillieir2005-11-06 00:54:02
Who's to say they don't have carbon anyways? They could be a mixture of carbon and silicon like the grass I mentioned (I can't remember what it's called). In fact, that'd make more sense to me sense one can pierce their ears with a needle. Let us not forget the magic part as well.
Neltharoth2005-11-06 01:05:17
I would define organic as having flesh, blood bones, internal organs, an individual form of life thats is made up of other parts that carry out life processes. This would mean animals and vegetation. Lucidians are apparently walking crystals, essentially chucks of stone infused magically with life. This would make them inorganic.
Anything that contains carbon isn't neccesarily organic...diamonds are completely made of carbon but their essentially just rocks.
Still I just need to know if this world, Lucidians can breed or interbreed. I suppose eyod's theory makes some sense though.
Anything that contains carbon isn't neccesarily organic...diamonds are completely made of carbon but their essentially just rocks.
Still I just need to know if this world, Lucidians can breed or interbreed. I suppose eyod's theory makes some sense though.
Unknown2005-11-06 01:43:12
QUOTE(Vix @ Nov 6 2005, 03:08 AM)
...Why are we arguing chemistry in a FANTASY world?
217544
We're arguing because we can, and the fact the Geomancers have Kerosene, which still find highly amusing.
Lucidians are what magically infused hunks of crystal, i mean that's all they could be, a living magic soul of sorts, infused into a hunk of rock. Meaning they dont actually need to eat, drink, or bleed in that sense, but they could just bleed part of their soul away when they're attacked, not actually bleeding blood in the sense, and the soul might need food and water to live.
In that sense it's also possible they dont breed, just parts of the magic from both lucidians combine and create a lesser one, which is infused into crystal.
tsaephai2005-11-06 02:29:32
QUOTE(Neltharoth @ Nov 5 2005, 09:05 PM)
I would define organic as having flesh, blood bones, internal organs, an individual form of life thats is made up of other parts that carry out life processes. This would mean animals and vegetation. Lucidians are apparently walking crystals, essentially chucks of stone infused magically with life. This would make them inorganic.
Anything that contains carbon isn't neccesarily organic...diamonds are completely made of carbon but their essentially just rocks.
Still I just need to know if this world, Lucidians can breed or interbreed. I suppose eyod's theory makes some sense though.
Anything that contains carbon isn't neccesarily organic...diamonds are completely made of carbon but their essentially just rocks.
Still I just need to know if this world, Lucidians can breed or interbreed. I suppose eyod's theory makes some sense though.
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mushrooms? bacteria? archae? what about them? they don't have blood bones indernal organs and things.
Eyod2005-11-06 02:53:25
QUOTE(Ye of Little Faith @ Nov 6 2005, 05:01 AM)
I don't think Lucidians should have to eat - sleep should be recovered via meditation, and sustenance be recovered via basking in the sunlight. But that's just me!
217548
I'd love if that would happen, give something interesting to being a Lucidian.
I also wish we could eat gems, mmmm Amethyst cookie.
QUOTE(Lisaera @ Nov 6 2005, 06:26 AM)
Just wait until the lucidians realise they're actually an arsenic-based lifeform, and all you people who have been licking them are dying slowly.
217571
Well there goes like half the commune, I think I have to color myself bright green and do the arsenic dance now.
Morik2005-11-06 03:26:21
QUOTE(eyod @ Nov 6 2005, 10:53 AM)
I'd love if that would happen, give something interesting to being a Lucidian.
I also wish we could eat gems, mmmm Amethyst cookie.
Well there goes like half the commune, I think I have to color myself bright green and do the arsenic dance now.
I also wish we could eat gems, mmmm Amethyst cookie.
Well there goes like half the commune, I think I have to color myself bright green and do the arsenic dance now.
217745
Or you've been building an immunity to arsenic. Which, more likely, has changed your internal chemistry somewhat. Cool, you've changed! You must be Tainted.
Xavius2005-11-06 04:11:27
QUOTE(Skeaton @ Nov 5 2005, 12:24 PM)
Wrong.
Carbon based lifeforms are just the only "organic" substances we know of, if that was in deed the only qualifying reagent then diamonds snfd graphite would be organic. If anything silicon based life forms are just as viable as carbon based ones from a chemical stand point, with a little prodding they can make the same rediculouly large chains that carbon makes, and these carbon chains is what makes life possible. Just becouse all organic organisms we "know" of are based on carbon does not mean that this is the qualifying factor. Believe me.
Carbon based lifeforms are just the only "organic" substances we know of, if that was in deed the only qualifying reagent then diamonds snfd graphite would be organic. If anything silicon based life forms are just as viable as carbon based ones from a chemical stand point, with a little prodding they can make the same rediculouly large chains that carbon makes, and these carbon chains is what makes life possible. Just becouse all organic organisms we "know" of are based on carbon does not mean that this is the qualifying factor. Believe me.
217539
Alright, not that this conversation really needs to be carried any farther, buuut...
Silicon doesn't bond like carbon, even though they're in the same chemical family. Silicon only forms stable double bonds. The single and triple bonds that carbon holds so well don't work in silicon compounds.
Narsrim2005-11-06 04:48:37
QUOTE(Skeaton @ Nov 5 2005, 01:24 PM)
Wrong.
Carbon based lifeforms are just the only "organic" substances we know of, if that was in deed the only qualifying reagent then diamonds snfd graphite would be organic. If anything silicon based life forms are just as viable as carbon based ones from a chemical stand point, with a little prodding they can make the same rediculouly large chains that carbon makes, and these carbon chains is what makes life possible. Just becouse all organic organisms we "know" of are based on carbon does not mean that this is the qualifying factor. Believe me.
Carbon based lifeforms are just the only "organic" substances we know of, if that was in deed the only qualifying reagent then diamonds snfd graphite would be organic. If anything silicon based life forms are just as viable as carbon based ones from a chemical stand point, with a little prodding they can make the same rediculouly large chains that carbon makes, and these carbon chains is what makes life possible. Just becouse all organic organisms we "know" of are based on carbon does not mean that this is the qualifying factor. Believe me.
217539
Believe me, I'm not going to go into a big lecture, but it is incorrect to say that silicon is "close enough" to carbon. The chemistry is similar, but far different. There are lot of research articles out there that explain this. I could point you to a couple if you wish.
Narsrim2005-11-06 04:51:59
QUOTE(Xavius @ Nov 6 2005, 12:11 AM)
Alright, not that this conversation really needs to be carried any farther, buuut...
Silicon doesn't bond like carbon, even though they're in the same chemical family. Silicon only forms stable double bonds. The single and triple bonds that carbon holds so well don't work in silicon compounds.
Silicon doesn't bond like carbon, even though they're in the same chemical family. Silicon only forms stable double bonds. The single and triple bonds that carbon holds so well don't work in silicon compounds.
217781
Heh, I should have read further. You beat me to it! This is one of the many major reasons why silicon could not feasibly work as a carbon substitute.
Xavius2005-11-06 04:52:34
Was about to say...I ninja'd you by like half an hour.
Narsrim2005-11-06 04:58:18
QUOTE(Skeaton @ Nov 5 2005, 01:24 PM)
Wrong.
Carbon based lifeforms are just the only "organic" substances we know of, if that was in deed the only qualifying reagent then diamonds snfd graphite would be organic. If anything silicon based life forms are just as viable as carbon based ones from a chemical stand point, with a little prodding they can make the same rediculouly large chains that carbon makes, and these carbon chains is what makes life possible. Just becouse all organic organisms we "know" of are based on carbon does not mean that this is the qualifying factor. Believe me.
Carbon based lifeforms are just the only "organic" substances we know of, if that was in deed the only qualifying reagent then diamonds snfd graphite would be organic. If anything silicon based life forms are just as viable as carbon based ones from a chemical stand point, with a little prodding they can make the same rediculouly large chains that carbon makes, and these carbon chains is what makes life possible. Just becouse all organic organisms we "know" of are based on carbon does not mean that this is the qualifying factor. Believe me.
217539
Butane, Hexene, Phenol, Acetone, etc... are all organic molecules. If you are going to argue, at least do the homework. Carbon can form crystalline structures with things which can be in organic compounds.
QUOTE
Organic Chem
Organic chemistry is the scientific study of the structure, properties, composition, reactions, and synthesis of organic compounds that by definition contain carbon. It is a specific discipline within the subject of chemistry. Organic compounds are molecules composed of carbon and hydrogen, and may contain any number of other elements. Many organic compounds contain nitrogen, oxygen, halogens, and more rarely phosphorus or sulphur.
Organic chemistry is the scientific study of the structure, properties, composition, reactions, and synthesis of organic compounds that by definition contain carbon. It is a specific discipline within the subject of chemistry. Organic compounds are molecules composed of carbon and hydrogen, and may contain any number of other elements. Many organic compounds contain nitrogen, oxygen, halogens, and more rarely phosphorus or sulphur.
thillieir2005-11-06 04:59:08
Hence why I stated that it's more likely a silcon, carbon based thing rather than just silicon. Again, please refer to the grass whose name I'm too lazy to look up. At any rate, lucidians have organs and blood and facial expressions and spit and all those other lovely things "organic" life forms have. Sure, there's a lot of magic in them, and sure, they're skin is pretty crystaline, but they're just as organic as anything else; they're splinters of an Elder God just like any other race except maybe humans even though humans have god shards too as proven by Aesyra.
Narsrim2005-11-06 05:03:09
QUOTE(thillieir @ Nov 6 2005, 12:59 AM)
Hence why I stated that it's more likely a silcon, carbon based thing rather than just silicon. Again, please refer to the grass whose name I'm too lazy to look up. At any rate, lucidians have organs and blood and facial expressions and spit and all those other lovely things "organic" life forms have. Sure, there's a lot of magic in them, and sure, they're skin is pretty crystaline, but they're just as organic as anything else; they're splinters of an Elder God just like any other race except maybe humans even though humans have god shards too as proven by Aesyra.
217824
I can find a grass that uses silicon, but there is no grass that I can find whose molecular structure is based off silicon and not carbon. Are you sure you aren't confused?
And where was it stated that Lucidians were silicon based anyways?