My 'knowledge' on Cwin is largely based off of the long silence, followed by a hasty covering of the rear, and culminated in an attempt to rush navaryn to the grave yesterday afternoon. If only I wasn't the only one to notice that, maybe someone who sleeps more lightly at night could have done something about it.

My defense? I could include the fact that a major reason why I'm considered Tainted is because this 'silence' to which:

1. I wasn't even in the game at the time for and

2. the one that was had completely stopped playing at the time.

Good or bad, if there's no one playing the role then they are going to be silent. The final aspect, I think, comes from my entrance, which didn't help calm suspicions. To that, I apologise.

I will say, and again, forgiveness if this sounds like a OMGUS vote, that Sylverfyre hasn't realy added much more than bandwagoning already suspicious people:

Day 1: silence, then voting for Elryn AFTER the scrier claimed and accused.

Day 2: Pokes here and there but no votes until Navaryn votes for Jasper/me out of suspicions. The reply:



After a few more people join in:



The first sounds like an argument to defend Jasper. The second makes it sound like "I felt that way all along". After I post my suspicions about Nav, though, Sylver jumps right in to say:



And votes for Nav because Jasper's no longer being silent. I then go on to believe Navaryn due to his roleclaim (I changed my mind because he ended up claiming "Basin Inhabitant" and I had a feeling that none of the scum knew that was the 'Townie' role until that moment) and as people go on to agree or disagree, what does Sylv do?



Suddenly Nav is innocent and I'm guilty again.

Not only has Sylver been wishy washy, but has only be repeating what others have said, even to the point of insanity (How can you vote for me to agree with Nav, then vote for Nav to agree with me, the unvote for Nav to agree with me, then vote for me again. :boggle:).

And that, is my defense, and my reasoning for this vote:sylverfyre.

The "-> <-" votecount

1 Cwin (Sylverfyre)
1 Sylverfyre (Cwin)

6 alive, 4 to lynch

Not Yet Voting: Ashteru, Etanru, Revan, Shorlen

I'll have to agree on most of the points Cwin has laid out, looking back on it. I'll vote sylverfire for now unless anything else comes up.

The "co-mod's " votecount

1 Cwin (Sylverfyre)
2 Sylverfyre (Cwin, Revan)

6 alive, 4 to lynch

Not Yet Voting: Ashteru, Etanru, Shorlen

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In other news, I'm about to be MIA for a few days ... 3-4 days from now and I should be back. Not that I'll be completely without Internet access or anything, I'm just considering the novel concept of actually relaxing and doing things like sleeping and wandering around rather than sitting in front of my computer all the time I'm awake.

Were I tainted, I wouldn't be so wishy-washy. I would know who my enemies are. No tainted person would back off of an easy lynch of someone they know is a townie, on the other hand, both when jasper was in control, and now with you in cont.

I laid off of my suspicions on you because I thought I was mistaken, since your voice was new in the game, even though your role was not. However, after you said several things, my suspicions returned, and now they are even more strong than they originally were.

As for my actions on day 1, I wasn't silent, but I didn't feel brave enough to step forth and vote, trying to form a bandwagon to lynch someone the way Revan did. I did voice some suspicions before that, but those suspicions were based off of little more than hunches.

Anyway, I wasn't the one who tried to put the last vote on a townie yesterday while we were still discussing why we should be voting for navaryn. Cutting off information seems much more tainted than anything you're claiming me to have done. (it would have been the last vote, had navaryn's self-vote counted.) That act particularly rose my suspicion levels towards you.

and i wish i had read my own post through for clarity purposes before hitting the button. Oh well, no edits, if i sound dirty from that post, its my own damn fault.

Signs that someone is tainted:

1. Wishy washy voting.

You say you have wishy washy voting

I was the FIRST vote for that in the first bandwagon and stated my reasons accordingly. I make note, by the way, that you were the third vote here too. I took down my vote after the roleclaim to try to stop the bandwagon.

In the second bandwagon, Nav voted for himself. Though it doesn't count, it shows he's given up. With everyone ready to lynch him, with Nav himself throwing in the towel, and with no one having anything that'll help prove his innocence, I gave in as well and voted fourth (I did NOT try to vote last: I knew Nav's vote didn't count.). Shorlen was the final vote for, I believe, the same reason I had.

You, meanwhile, jump ship JUST in time as Nav's death was surefire.

Now it's Lynch-or-Die. Assuming there's two mafia, if one more innocent dies then it's game over, mafia wins. Instead of just jumping the the gun and killing someone off of shotty evidence (you STILL accuse Jasper of silence when HE WAS NO LONGER IN THE GAME! And you accuse me of pushing Nav to his death when you not only felt he was suspicious first day but joined in the bandwagon that nearly killed him before he could even roleclaim.

If Etanu is SO suspicous then WHY havn't you even looked at him for more than a second? What made Nav, who was targeted by someone you don't even trust, a better target than Etanu who wanted him dead more than I did?!

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Ok then, what 'several things' changed your idea about me from "Wow, she's right, Nav is scummy" to "Nav's innocent, KILL CWIN!"? You're talking as if you have had a ton of thought and evidence. Let's see your view on 'Cwin, the Tainted'.

I was without internet access yesterday. Reading over the thread now, and then I'll make a post.

A few thoughts have come to me - no scrier apart from Revan has stepped forward this late in the intrigue. The Basin is never without a scier, as far as I have seen, as far as I have lived. Thus, Revan is innocent. Thus, I am innocent. This leaves four others, two of whom are tainted filth trying to decieve us. Two of you are inhabitants of the Basin, of one form or another. Both of you know your own innocence, and thus, of the three people whose innocence you do not know, two of them are tainted.

All of us who are not tainted must point our fingers at a tainted for them to die. The tainted are unlikely to help us in this, though they might to confuse us tomorrow, should there be a tomorrow.

Do not vote until you are sure. If two of us who are innocent vote to kill the same person, and that person is innocent, the tainted will likely finish the voting, and all will be shrouded in darkness.

The reason I "jumped ship" on navaryns lynching is because I had voted for you, then had second thoughts, joined the bandwagon for navaryn- it WAS someone that I had pointed out myself on day 1 because of the OMGUS bit between , but was informed that I had to unvote before I voted. Upon realizing that, and then carefully reexamining everything at hand, I decided that I didn't *want* to take a hand of navaryn's lynching, and I turned

And then you got wishy washy yourself. Yesterday was a confusing day for the town, you accuse me of being wishy washy when you're wishy washy yourself. I don't see this as very sound evidence for either of us.

As for people jumping a bandwagon, look at what you did yesterday to navaryn. You claim that me jumping on the bandwagon of Avaer may indicate that I am tainted, yet you jump back in after retracting your vote to help lynch someone whos guilt was much less uncertain and who turned out to be innocent. I was jumping on the bandwagon of someone who was claimed to be scried, and I joined the voting fairly early in the process, on day one, we needed 6 votes and I was the third? Maybe I was being gullible, but it seemed like progress in the right direction to me, and it turned out to be just that.

As for the 'wishy washy voting being evidence towards me being tainted - I dont follow that logic, I see no reason that a tainted person would want to call such undue attention to themselves.

Thinking on Shorlen's words, we need to be very careful who we lynch today. If we are wrong, the Taint will almost surely win.

The tainted are nearly never foolish enough to vote first nor last. Voting in the middle is when most scum strike, from my experience with such. Those words do not speak in your favour, Sylleria.

Etanru, you said you would speak and you did not - I ask you to do so now.

Those who are neither I nor Revan - it might be best for you to tell us who is the LEAST suspicious to you. To the remaining pure denizens of the Basin, there are three suspects and two are guilty. Point to the one least likely - it would be interesting to hear what you have to say.

I will keep my suspicions to myself for the moment.

Can we really be so sure of your clean-ness, dear Shorlen? Revan scried you, aye, but...who says he isn't tainted? Who says YOU aren't tainted? At the moment, you and Revan seem very suspicious to me, I can't say why, it's just a feeling..

Hmmm, Ok, I do believe Shorlen is innocent. It's the gut talking there. Also, you see my issues with Sylver, so there you go there. The only question, I think, is Revan.

He's the claimed scrier and found one or the taint the first day. Since then, though, he scried someone who had died and then scried Shorlen as innocent. It all seems alright:

On the other hand, it seems odd the folks he scried. The most suspicous people (myself included, and blah to that) weren't scried at all. Why is that?

If we had more time, I wouldn't be like this, but we don't have time and I've learned that putting my eggs in one basket means weasel tracks and going out to eat breakfast come morning. Mind explaining why you scried who you scried, Revan? FoS: Revan

Note, this is NOT a request for everyone to start voting on him. I just want to feel SURE about him before we go on.

Has there ever not been a scier within the Basin? None has died, none has come forth save Revan, thus I see no reason to believe any longer that Revan is of the Taint.

Cwin, you are indeed one of the most suspicious at the moment, if not the most suspicious. Your raising of accusations against Revan, and ignoring the comments I have made and questions I have raised makes me even more suspicious of you. Ashteru has an excuse for the latter, as he claims to be suspicious of me. You have not, so why have you ignored the words I have spoken?

I formally raise my suspicious against Cwin. (FoS: Cwin)

Ashteru, do you honestly believe I am the most suspicious of those who remain? Look to the past, read of what has occured. Nearly every suspicion against me has stemmed from naught but my manner of speech - a silly reason to be worried of another, is it not?

There's also, until the last game, never been a role without some power or item to work with. Also, until this game and the other, there's never been a role that had no name. I know there hasn't been a Scrier that claimed and none that've died, making Revan more viable. However, even though this is the 'toned down' version, there's no requirement for a scrier being a part of this game. It IS possible that there's no scrier at all.

As for why I trust you and can't fully trust Revan is mostly me thinking "If I was the enemy what would I do if I claimed scrier". I then found out that I would do something that would look like what Revan has shown to do this game. On the other hand, I can also see a real scrier do the same. Why would he say that you were innocent if he's a lier? I'm still working on that. My gut says you're innocent and I listen to that so I can't go the "You and Revan are scum path".

To "me" it comes down to this: If I can trust Revan with my life, then Sylverfyre is the one that's most scummy. I just don't want to have what I did in TWG 2 to happen to me, where people the town trusted with their lives were the ones to put the knife in thier back.

Okay, sorry I've been unable to speak until very recently.

In any case, I don't find Cwin suspicious. All of her actions have been backed up by ideas and reasoning that seem very normal to me. Sylverfyre seems more scummy to me at the moment, but I don't know if I'm ready to vote yet - or even FoS.

Also, I remember that Shorlen wanted to who we considered less suspicious out of Revan and himself, and right now, I'd have to say Revan.

I can hopefully follow this discussion more actively now, but if I vanish for around a day or so, please be patient.