EXCLUDING myself and Revan, whom do you find least suspicious, was the question I posed. In my eyes, Revan is proved innocent, for reasons I have already stated. Twice. If you take that as fact, then I too am proved innocent by his words. So, of the four people who remain, two of them are innocent. So, those two are looking at three people before them, two of whom are scum. Thus my question - of the people who are NOT myself NOR Revan, whom do you find the LEAST suspicious? Remember, those of you who are innocent - only ONE of those three people is innocent.

If I must explain this logic a fourth time, I may find myself including words that are most unladylike with the explaination, and I would perfer not to speak so uncoothly.

Well, lets take the 2 possible cases. I am innocent, and I am tainted

If I am innocent - Either Cwin or Revan are tainted, because if neither were tainted, then the 2 tainted people would both vote to lynch me, killing me, then they would get a night-kill, and it would be 2 of the tainted vs 2 untainted - winning the game for the tainted.
Given that Revan is proven untainted, Cwin would be tainted. Then the other tainted

If I am tainted, then the other tainted person would very likely not have cast a vote yet, and given that Shorlen is untainted,

So basically, either one of Cwin or I is tainted. I cast my vote for Cwin based on this logic; I know I am innocent. One of Etanru and Ashteru are tainted - I suggest you cast your scry keeping such in mind tonight, assuming you don't seal the game for the tainted by lynching an innocent today.

It realy does come heavily to that in the end. Revan's vote would be a VERY odd thing for the mafia at this point: their best bet is to either try to push a vote (like what me and sylver are doing now) or wait for two innocents to vote for a lynch then jump in and laugh all the way to the bank. That, along with having to assume everything else (no scrier, taint willing to sacrifice themselves, so on)..blah, I'll stake my life on Revan then and say, if he's mafia he's a frighteningly insane player. unFoS: Revan

So it's back to me or Sylver as a tainter, and the other waiting in the sidelines. I'll tell you this much: if ONE vote goes to the wrong person then we're all dead, simply put. If the vote goes right then it's just a matter of scrying Etanru or Ash: if the scied one is innocent then just kill the other, if the scried is guilty..well, there you go.


So again, it comes does to this last bid between Shorlen, Revan, and the other unknown townie. Look over me and Sylver's posts, our arguments, our reasonings, and your guts and make your vote. Just know that the next vote will make or break the game.

I'm sorry, I didn't complete my paragraph about "If I am tainted"

If I am tainted, it would mean that Cwin is untainted, and we already know that Shorlen and Revan are untainted. One of either Etanru or Ashteru would have to be tainted, in that case, so either way, either Etanru or Ashteru must be tainted.

Etanru, Ashteru, speak more.

Silence never solved anything interesting.

Well, all was said already between Cwin and sylverfyre. And even though you probably are suspicious of me, I can assure you that I am not tainted, you can scry me this night if you want, I don't mind it, I have nothing to hide.
The only things I want to point out are the following:

Cwin and sylverfyre could very well be both tainted and just play a subtle, but good game, it's not hard at all, just some twisted logic and there it is.
Etanru behaved quite suspicious from the beginning, quick with raising suspicions and all in all behaving pretty suspicious.
Assuming that Shorlen and Revan aren't tainted, I'd say that either Cwin and sylverfyre are -really- good actors, or that Etanru works with one of them...

I already explained how only one of either me and Cwin can be tainted, and only one of you and Etanru are tainted. If you claim that it is not you, unless you can find a major flaw in my logic, then it is the same to me as saying that

Note that my logic works regardless of whether or not I myself am tainted. Let that be my defense that I am untainted.

Ok. Here I present a solution. I am the Grand Cipher - a vigilante. I ask that you do not lynch me today. Should this be a lie, and I AM tainted, I ask that the real vigilante kill me tonight, leaving the game still winnable for the town with only one tainted person left, and my logic will STILL hold up (it would have to be either etanru or ashteru - scry one and you have the answer.) We know there EXISTS a vigilante - We all saw the night with 2 deaths, and if it were a serial killer, then there would be more night deaths than just a single person who committed an extremely tainted act (even though it, regrettably, was an innocent).

I hadn't considered ashteru's idea, but here is my solution if that is the case. If both cwin and I ARE tainted, and my logic is flawed in that manner, that would still mean I am lying, and you could still vigilante-kill me tonight, leaving only one tainted person remaining. That would have to be a VERY risky game for the taint to be playing, however, especially since tonight, if that is true, I would be vigilante killed, leaving one tainted, which the scrier would either find tonight, or find a third townie tonight, and the town could win with a brute-force witchhunt.

By the way, I do expect to die tonight, by the mafia, but I checked and I can indeed take one of them down with me despite this.

There is no 'this night' - this day is the final day, this night the final night, unless we are correct. We cannot afford such words so late.

Yes, they could be playing us thusly - that I did consider, and still do. (I would do it, and have, in another time, another life...)

Etanru's actions, in all honesty, weren't terribly suspicious. Raising suspicions is how conversation is begun, and action is taken.

You seem to be suspecting EVERYONE, Ashteru. Keeping with the assumption that we were not left with no scrier, if you know you are not tainted, of Sylleria, Cwin, and Etanru, ONE of them is also not tainted. Whom do you think it to be?

Grand Cipher Tlochaka Chum?! One of the four to accompany Emperor Landantine, and I spit upon his wretched name, on his fool's expedition to the Supra Plane? One of the five first tainted?! You dare to make such a claim and still protest your innocence? Such insolence! Give me one reason why I shouldn't bring full bear the judgement of the Celestine Empire right here and now!


Does any other come forward to claim their hand in the death of the mistaken mason Vlath Symfale (Shamarah)? The Grand Cipher, likely tainted with his own words, may instead be a serial killer, but a vigilante, I do doubt.

No, I am Grand Cipher Dith, not filthy Tlochaka Chum.

Hmm, a name I have not heard before. His replacement?

Perhaps claims from the rest of you will help shed light upon our quandry. I ask you all now to tell us who you are, to banish the shadows that surround so we can better see your faces. If you are truly innocent, you have nothing to hide. That said, I would perfer to speak last, and I have my reasons, but if others wish me to speak sooner, I may.

So much for using my actaul role name giving my argument more credibility, shorlen makes a false assumption about who i am and undermines it, destroying any hope of me assisting you in ridding the taint once and for all. However, If I -AM- a serial killer, you lynch me today, you still have two tainted to deal with, and they bring it down to a 2v2, and win.

Oops. Sorry!

In that case, Cwin. In second place, Ashteru, for being so rampantly accusing/paranoid. The whole theory of Revan actually being Tainted confuses me and/or doesn't make any sense. :S

Anyways, I don't see any harm in rolecalling. Sylveryfyre coming up as the Grand Cipher seems a bit iffy, but I want to wait hear what other people have to say, including you, Shorlen. To be honest, I think it's rather strange that you won't post your own identity until we all post our own. Care to explain those 'undisclosed reasons'?

Anyways. I am Aether Correspondant Globglob Mesherbrub. After I saw that Project Cosmic Hope had gone bad, I fled to safety, like so many of my loyal listeners. In all this confusion, I have been unable to sort out very much - all I know is that there are traitors among us.

I'd rather not disclose my special power just yet.

The "Guess who's back?" votecount

1 Cwin (Sylverfyre)
2 Sylverfyre (Cwin, Revan)

6 alive, 4 to lynch

Not Yet Voting: Ashteru, Etanru, Shorlen


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Though interestingly enough, um, y'all haven't voted any more since I left.

Still, now you know I'm back. Co-mod powers, reactivate!

Revan, remove your vote now, or all is likely lost.

Because we have not yet lost, either Cwin or Sylleria is tainted. Cwin, claim - Sylleria already has.

Very well, though I'm nothing special. I'm a typical Basin Inhabitant, relying on nothing more than my vote to fight against the Taint.

It's the reason why I pulled my vote on Navaryn in Day 2 because he also claimed the same thing and I knew until that point the tainted would have no way of knowing to use that very name to claim that (true, he messed up by calling himself a Citizen of Celest, but how would he know to change the name to the correct one? Also note that Quid noticed the name as well: you don't say "And how on earth did you mix those two things up?" unless the two were very different claims).

So there's my claim. It does come down to me or Sylver. Make a note that once three votes go to an innocent then the second tainted will finish the lynch. As such, don't make your votes casualy. I'm not sure what else to say but I'll answer any questions and I won't give up till I'm dead.

I await the final claim - Ashteru?

I am just another typical inhabitant as well, nothing special about me. Maybe a bit paranoid, but who isn't that nowadays.

So, Sylleria is proved to not be Tainted. Noone else has claimed to be able to kill others during the night. Sylleria is either a serial killer or a vigilante - in either case, not of the taint.

All evidence now points to Cwin being tainted. The largest piece of evidence is that Revan and Cwin both had voted for Sylleria to die. If neither were tainted, the two tainted would have just joined with the voting, ending the night with an innocent slaughtered. Revan is not tainted, so that points to Cwin. Cwin also has acted rather... oddly for much of the time we have spent here in discussion.

Thus, after careful consideration, do I vote Cwin.


And I will make my claim, because I said I would, though I should not. I am Princess Marilynth, the uncrowned ruler of the Celestine Empire. With the... loss of my father, it falls to me to save the Basin from this threat, and save it I shall. I have the ability to protect anyone from being slain in the night, including myself.

Revan, this night, scry Ashteru or Etanru, though I suppose that is obvious enough at this point.