Daganev2005-11-09 19:52:20
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f) Hitler, Franco and Mussolini were given VETO power over whom the pope could appoint as a bishop in Germany, Spain and Italy. In turn they surtaxed the Catholics and gave the money to the Vatican. Hitler wrote a speech in which he talks about this alliance, this is an excerpt: “The fact that the Vatican is concluding a treaty with the new Germany means the acknowledgement of the National Socialist state by the Catholic Church. This treaty shows the whole world clearly and unequivocally that the assertion that National Socialism is hostile to religion is a lie.â€Â Adolf Hitler, 22 July 1933, writing to the Nazi Party
Yeah see to me, thats just proof that Hitler had no respect for religion.
Hilter also made a deal with the redcross in which he used that opportunity to say that any claims of a violation of human rights is a lie.
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Here are some quotes I found "For Hitler life was a constant struggle, a struggle between individuals, people, races, a struggle between Nordic culture- creators, and Semitic culture-destroyers."
"There is no doubt that in Vienna Hitler acquired his basic outlook on life, his ideas about the importance of terror, the purity of the Nordic race"
""The root of the whole evil lay, particularly in Schonerer's opinion, in the fact that the directing body of the Catholic Church was not in Germany, and that for this very reason alone it was hostile to the interests of our nationality."7" - Hitler
"Rosenberg would remind Hitler of the need to Nazify the culture as well as the state (and of Bormann's lack of zeal) and Bormann would remind Hitler of the risk of alienation of the population who would be uncomfortable with the abandonment of Christianity"
"...under the leadership of Rosenberg, Bormann and Himmler, who were backed by Hitler, the Nazi regime intended eventually to destroy Christianity in Germany, if it could, and substitute the old paganism of the early tribal Germanic gods and the new paganism of the Nazi extremists. As Bormann, one of the men closest to Hitler, said publicly in 1941, 'National Socialism and Christianity are irreconcilable.' "
"The German people is no longer blinded by illusions as at the time of the Reformation. It has come to recognize not only Judaism, but Christianity too, as foreign to its genius.-- Der Blitz, January 12, 1936, quoted p. 6, The War Against God, edited by Carl Carmer).
"But today a new faith is awakening: the myth of the blood...Then in place of the Old Testament stories of cattle breeders and the exploitation of prostitutes, we shall have the Nordic sagas and fairy tales, at first simply recounted, later assuming the form of symbols." (Alfred Rosenberg, Myth of the Twentieth Century, 1932, quoted p. 6, The War Against God, edited by Carl Carmer).
"The teaching of mercy and love of one's neighbor is foreign to the German race and the Sermon on the Mount is according to Nordic sentiment an ethic for cowards and idiots.-- Hans Hauptmann, Bolshevism in the Bible (Nazi textbook), 1937, quoted p. 28, The War Against God, edited by Carl Carmer).
"If Jehovah has lost all meaning for us Germans, the same must be said of Jesus Christ, his son...He certainly lacks those characteristics which he would require to be a true German. Indeed, he is as disappointing, if we read his record carefully, as is his father.-- E. K. Heidemann, 'What the Christian Does not Know about Christianity,' September, 1935, quoted p. 105, The War Against God, edited by Carl Carmer).
"There is no doubt that in Vienna Hitler acquired his basic outlook on life, his ideas about the importance of terror, the purity of the Nordic race"
""The root of the whole evil lay, particularly in Schonerer's opinion, in the fact that the directing body of the Catholic Church was not in Germany, and that for this very reason alone it was hostile to the interests of our nationality."7" - Hitler
"Rosenberg would remind Hitler of the need to Nazify the culture as well as the state (and of Bormann's lack of zeal) and Bormann would remind Hitler of the risk of alienation of the population who would be uncomfortable with the abandonment of Christianity"
"...under the leadership of Rosenberg, Bormann and Himmler, who were backed by Hitler, the Nazi regime intended eventually to destroy Christianity in Germany, if it could, and substitute the old paganism of the early tribal Germanic gods and the new paganism of the Nazi extremists. As Bormann, one of the men closest to Hitler, said publicly in 1941, 'National Socialism and Christianity are irreconcilable.' "
"The German people is no longer blinded by illusions as at the time of the Reformation. It has come to recognize not only Judaism, but Christianity too, as foreign to its genius.-- Der Blitz, January 12, 1936, quoted p. 6, The War Against God, edited by Carl Carmer).
"But today a new faith is awakening: the myth of the blood...Then in place of the Old Testament stories of cattle breeders and the exploitation of prostitutes, we shall have the Nordic sagas and fairy tales, at first simply recounted, later assuming the form of symbols." (Alfred Rosenberg, Myth of the Twentieth Century, 1932, quoted p. 6, The War Against God, edited by Carl Carmer).
"The teaching of mercy and love of one's neighbor is foreign to the German race and the Sermon on the Mount is according to Nordic sentiment an ethic for cowards and idiots.-- Hans Hauptmann, Bolshevism in the Bible (Nazi textbook), 1937, quoted p. 28, The War Against God, edited by Carl Carmer).
"If Jehovah has lost all meaning for us Germans, the same must be said of Jesus Christ, his son...He certainly lacks those characteristics which he would require to be a true German. Indeed, he is as disappointing, if we read his record carefully, as is his father.-- E. K. Heidemann, 'What the Christian Does not Know about Christianity,' September, 1935, quoted p. 105, The War Against God, edited by Carl Carmer).
Anytime the State says that it is in control of the Religion instead of the other way around, that religion is no longer a religion but just a tool of the state to manipulate the people who live there.
So yeah, its a bit more than just a few silly songs. It was the next phase of his plan that he would not be able to do untill all the Jews were destroyed.
Narsrim2005-11-09 19:54:46
Hilter died a Catholic, Daganev. The damn church refused to excommunicate him.... why would the Catholic Church not excommunicate some Nordic pagan? It would have definately been to their image to do so, but alas... no.
Daganev2005-11-09 19:57:54
So If I have a Jewish Mother and a Christain Father, and I'm circumsided and Baptised, am I a Jew or a Christain?
Point of information: In Judaism you are Jewish if your Mother is Jewish, no other criteria is needed. As far as I know, in Christainity if your father is Christain your a chrisatain.
For me, the answer is that whatever you belief is correct is what you are. If you go to Shul your Jewish, if you go to Church your Christain. If your plan is to abolish Christanity and replace it with the old Nordic Myths then your religion is that of the Nordic Myths and not that of Christianity.
Edit: Considering that Hitler died alone and without any Priests near him, nobody knows if he really died a Christain or not. Hitler BOUGHT the Church, why would they excomunicate him? And as far as I know, you can't excomunicate someone who is allready dead.
Point of information: In Judaism you are Jewish if your Mother is Jewish, no other criteria is needed. As far as I know, in Christainity if your father is Christain your a chrisatain.
For me, the answer is that whatever you belief is correct is what you are. If you go to Shul your Jewish, if you go to Church your Christain. If your plan is to abolish Christanity and replace it with the old Nordic Myths then your religion is that of the Nordic Myths and not that of Christianity.
Edit: Considering that Hitler died alone and without any Priests near him, nobody knows if he really died a Christain or not. Hitler BOUGHT the Church, why would they excomunicate him? And as far as I know, you can't excomunicate someone who is allready dead.
Narsrim2005-11-09 20:02:23
QUOTE(daganev @ Nov 9 2005, 03:57 PM)
So If I have a Jewish Mother and a Christain Father, and I'm circumsided and Baptised, am I a Jew or a Christain?
Point of information: In Judaism you are Jewish if your Mother is Jewish, no other criteria is needed. As far as I know, in Christainity if your father is Christain your a chrisatain.
For me, the answer is that whatever you belief is correct is what you are. If you go to Shul your Jewish, if you go to Church your Christain. If your plan is to abolish Christanity and replace it with the old Nordic Myths then your religion is that of the Nordic Myths and not that of Christianity.
Point of information: In Judaism you are Jewish if your Mother is Jewish, no other criteria is needed. As far as I know, in Christainity if your father is Christain your a chrisatain.
For me, the answer is that whatever you belief is correct is what you are. If you go to Shul your Jewish, if you go to Church your Christain. If your plan is to abolish Christanity and replace it with the old Nordic Myths then your religion is that of the Nordic Myths and not that of Christianity.
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THE CATHOLIC CHURCH REFUSED TO EXCOMMUNICATE (READ: KICK OUT) HILTER! Now, you can toss up all this garbage about Hilter being a Nordic Pagan, but he had close contacts with the Catholic Church to the point where they -defended- him and refused to renounce him as a catholic.
Now, is that typical practice based upon historical evidence of the catholic church when it comes to pagans?
Daganev2005-11-09 20:03:35
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Was Hitler Excommunicated?
The allegation is sometimes made that the Catholic Church never excommunicated Hitler from membership. It is unknown whether Hitler was formally excommunicated or not, but it doesn't matter. Hitler was already excommunicated ipso facto under the canon law of the Catholic Church for his numerous sinful crimes. He could only have returned to the Catholic faith, even assuming that he would ever have wanted to, by having his excommunication removed by the Pope himself. The lifting of such excommunication is reserved to the Pope, latae sententiae.
Furthermore, the conference of German bishops excommunicated all Nazis in 1930, and in the 1932 elections forbade Catholics to vote for a Nazi. By being the leader of the Nazi party, Hitler had already put himself outside of the Church.
Finally, it should be noted that the whole purpose of excommunication is to help the sinner recognize the enormity of his sins, so he will seek forgiveness. As St. Paul wrote: "If any one refuses to obey our word by this letter, note that man, and have nothing to do with him, that he may be ashamed. Do not look on him as an enemy, but warn him as a brother." (2 Thes 3:14-15). Someone like Hitler, who did not believe in the truth of Christianity, would simply shrug it off.
The allegation is sometimes made that the Catholic Church never excommunicated Hitler from membership. It is unknown whether Hitler was formally excommunicated or not, but it doesn't matter. Hitler was already excommunicated ipso facto under the canon law of the Catholic Church for his numerous sinful crimes. He could only have returned to the Catholic faith, even assuming that he would ever have wanted to, by having his excommunication removed by the Pope himself. The lifting of such excommunication is reserved to the Pope, latae sententiae.
Furthermore, the conference of German bishops excommunicated all Nazis in 1930, and in the 1932 elections forbade Catholics to vote for a Nazi. By being the leader of the Nazi party, Hitler had already put himself outside of the Church.
Finally, it should be noted that the whole purpose of excommunication is to help the sinner recognize the enormity of his sins, so he will seek forgiveness. As St. Paul wrote: "If any one refuses to obey our word by this letter, note that man, and have nothing to do with him, that he may be ashamed. Do not look on him as an enemy, but warn him as a brother." (2 Thes 3:14-15). Someone like Hitler, who did not believe in the truth of Christianity, would simply shrug it off.
So it turns out your wrong. If ALL Nazis are excommunicated, than that includes Hitler.
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It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors-- but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie. Our epoch Uin the next 200 yearse will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't... behold its demise." (p 278)
Narsrim2005-11-09 20:15:44
The Catholic Church -refused- to officially excommunicate hilter. While there is some info that implies Hilter was excommunicated, there is no known formal excommunication.
There is some documentation of people attempting to push for Hilter to be formally excommunicated as a person (The Nazis, for example, were excommunicated yes, but if Hilter were alive today and declared he was no longer a Nazi, he wouldn't fall into the excommuncation. People who were Nazis that renounced it at the time were not considered excommunicated any longer).
There is some documentation of people attempting to push for Hilter to be formally excommunicated as a person (The Nazis, for example, were excommunicated yes, but if Hilter were alive today and declared he was no longer a Nazi, he wouldn't fall into the excommuncation. People who were Nazis that renounced it at the time were not considered excommunicated any longer).
Narsrim2005-11-09 20:17:45
Pope Pius XII created celebrations on Hilter's birthday. Strange, no?
Daganev2005-11-09 20:19:18
So you want the Church to take something it takes very seriously and turn it into a purely symbolic action?
Have you ever officially renoucned Bin Laden as your leader? Have you sent the appropriate documents to the proper authorities? I haven't and I don't think its necessary to do so.
Here is an even nicer and longer list of quotes
If saying statements like that doesn't automatically excommunicate you, I don't know what does.
Additionally, the Church has never excomuncated me. The Budhists never renounced Hitler, Jews never verified that he did not have any Jewish Ancestors. (infact some people like to claim he had Jewish realtives) I'm fairly sure that the Nordic priests never astrocised Hitler either.
Have you ever officially renoucned Bin Laden as your leader? Have you sent the appropriate documents to the proper authorities? I haven't and I don't think its necessary to do so.
Here is an even nicer and longer list of quotes
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Night of 11th-12th July, 1941:
  National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. (p 6 & 7)
10th October, 1941, midday:
  Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure. (p 43)
14th October, 1941, midday:
  The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.... Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse.... ...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.... Christianity the liar.... We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State. (p 49-52)
19th October, 1941, night:
  The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity.
21st October, 1941, midday:
  Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the destroyer.... The decisive falsification of Jesus' doctrine was the work of St. Paul. He gave himself to this work... for the purposes of personal exploitation.... Didn't the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, faggots? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed into St. Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea. (p 63-65)
13th December, 1941, midnight:
  Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... .... When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease. (p 118 & 119)
14th December, 1941, midday:
  Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don't believe the thing's possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself.... Pure Christianity-- the Christianity of the catacombs-- is concerned with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics. (p 119 & 120)
9th April, 1942, dinner:
  There is something very unhealthy about Christianity (p 339)
  National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. (p 6 & 7)
10th October, 1941, midday:
  Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure. (p 43)
14th October, 1941, midday:
  The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.... Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse.... ...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.... Christianity the liar.... We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State. (p 49-52)
19th October, 1941, night:
  The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity.
21st October, 1941, midday:
  Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the destroyer.... The decisive falsification of Jesus' doctrine was the work of St. Paul. He gave himself to this work... for the purposes of personal exploitation.... Didn't the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, faggots? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed into St. Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea. (p 63-65)
13th December, 1941, midnight:
  Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... .... When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease. (p 118 & 119)
14th December, 1941, midday:
  Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don't believe the thing's possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself.... Pure Christianity-- the Christianity of the catacombs-- is concerned with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics. (p 119 & 120)
9th April, 1942, dinner:
  There is something very unhealthy about Christianity (p 339)
If saying statements like that doesn't automatically excommunicate you, I don't know what does.
Additionally, the Church has never excomuncated me. The Budhists never renounced Hitler, Jews never verified that he did not have any Jewish Ancestors. (infact some people like to claim he had Jewish realtives) I'm fairly sure that the Nordic priests never astrocised Hitler either.
Narsrim2005-11-09 20:21:25
QUOTE(daganev @ Nov 9 2005, 04:19 PM)
So you want the Church to take something it takes very seriously and turn it into a purely symbolic action?
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Yes. They do it all the time.
Daganev2005-11-09 20:30:45
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(On the Church and the German Reich, by Pope Pius XI, March 1937). Here are some relevant extracts:
   "Whoever identifies, by pantheistic confusion, God and the universe, by either lowering God to the dimensions of the world, or raising the world to the dimensions of God, is not a believer in God. Whoever follows that so-called pre-Christian Germanic conception of substituting a dark and impersonal destiny for the personal God, denies thereby the Wisdom and Providence of God who "Reacheth from end to end mightily, and ordereth all things sweetly" (Wisdom viii. 1). Neither is he a believer in God." (Section 7)
   "Whoever exalts race, or the people, or the State, or a particular form of State, or the depositories of power, or any other fundamental value of the human community--however necessary and honorable be their function in worldly things--whoever raises these notions above their standard value and divinizes them to an idolatrous level, distorts and perverts an order of the world planned and created by God; he is far from the true faith in God and from the concept of life which that faith upholds." (Section 8)
   "Whoever wishes to see banished from church and school the Biblical history and the wise doctrines of the Old Testament, blasphemes the name of God, blasphemes the Almighty's plan of salvation, and makes limited and narrow human thought the judge of God's designs over the history of the world: he denies his faith in the true Christ" (Section 16)
   "Whoever identifies, by pantheistic confusion, God and the universe, by either lowering God to the dimensions of the world, or raising the world to the dimensions of God, is not a believer in God. Whoever follows that so-called pre-Christian Germanic conception of substituting a dark and impersonal destiny for the personal God, denies thereby the Wisdom and Providence of God who "Reacheth from end to end mightily, and ordereth all things sweetly" (Wisdom viii. 1). Neither is he a believer in God." (Section 7)
   "Whoever exalts race, or the people, or the State, or a particular form of State, or the depositories of power, or any other fundamental value of the human community--however necessary and honorable be their function in worldly things--whoever raises these notions above their standard value and divinizes them to an idolatrous level, distorts and perverts an order of the world planned and created by God; he is far from the true faith in God and from the concept of life which that faith upholds." (Section 8)
   "Whoever wishes to see banished from church and school the Biblical history and the wise doctrines of the Old Testament, blasphemes the name of God, blasphemes the Almighty's plan of salvation, and makes limited and narrow human thought the judge of God's designs over the history of the world: he denies his faith in the true Christ" (Section 16)
So yeah, thats the Pope's view on Naziism.
You can't excommunicate a person who is not a practicing Christain.
Excommunication is only used to bring people Back into the church, and the Church has no desire of giving the impression that Hitler would back in. Lastly, you can't excommunicate a person who is allready dead.
I'm not sure how you can say "When he was young and was not making his own decisions he was raised a christain, therefor he must be christain"
Hitler has clearly stated in many opportunities his disgust for Christianity. In fact he things religion as a whole is stupid, but rather you should have pure myths which give examples of how you should live.
Narsrim2005-11-09 20:32:20
One of many pictures of Hilter hanging out with his buddy, Pope Pius. Hilter spent a lot of time with the Pope. He very much supported by the church during his reign.... so weird they would do that to a Nordic Pagan. Do Popes normally hang out with Pagans?
Daganev2005-11-09 20:37:08
One of the many pictures of Arafat hanging out with his buddy The Isreali Prime Minister.
One of the many pictures of Hitler hanging out with his buddy Churchill.
Daganev2005-11-09 20:41:20
And yes, When the Dictator of the country that the Vatican is in is in alliance with pagans who threaten to kill anyone who does not hang out with them, then they will hang out with them.
I can't even believe your seriously trying to use that argument.
Since when does the Chruch give veto powers to states? OH right, when that state is threatning to kill everyone who does not go along with them.
In 1938 Musilini tried to get Hitler Ex-communicated, in 1939 Musilini was Hitler's number one supporter... Hmm I wonder what happened.
I can't even believe your seriously trying to use that argument.
Since when does the Chruch give veto powers to states? OH right, when that state is threatning to kill everyone who does not go along with them.
In 1938 Musilini tried to get Hitler Ex-communicated, in 1939 Musilini was Hitler's number one supporter... Hmm I wonder what happened.
Narsrim2005-11-09 20:43:21
Here is a quote by Hitler from the Mein Kampf:
"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."
Sounds very... non Pagan to me.
"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."
Sounds very... non Pagan to me.
Narsrim2005-11-09 20:43:58
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)
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Did Hitler every claim to be a Nordic Pagan? No. That's speculation.
Did Hitlet claim to be a Christian? Yes. It is well documented.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)
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Did Hitler every claim to be a Nordic Pagan? No. That's speculation.
Did Hitlet claim to be a Christian? Yes. It is well documented.
Daganev2005-11-09 20:45:25
Daganev2005-11-09 20:48:15
Hitler also claimed to be a good person doing the world a favour. Hitler also claimed that he did not treat people inhumanely.
What Hitler says in a public speach trying to gain the support of the people to his cuase is really quite irrelevant. Its what he says in private and what his plans are that say more. By the end of the war Hitler was planning to remove christainity from Germany all together and restablish the old Nordic Legends.
What Hitler says in a public speach trying to gain the support of the people to his cuase is really quite irrelevant. Its what he says in private and what his plans are that say more. By the end of the war Hitler was planning to remove christainity from Germany all together and restablish the old Nordic Legends.
Narsrim2005-11-09 20:54:38
I love it. Hitler was baptised a christian. He went to church. He was friends with the pope. He even called himself a christian... but really he was a nordic pagan.
Did he ever say that? No. Did he profess to be a christian? Yes.
For you to imply that his taste in music and other such rubbish overrides the fact he CALLED HIMSELF A CHRISTIAN Is just nothing other than you refusing to concede.
If I call myself a Christian (and I'm not), no one can dispute that. Being a "christian" is not something you can measure anymore than being pagan
Did he ever say that? No. Did he profess to be a christian? Yes.
For you to imply that his taste in music and other such rubbish overrides the fact he CALLED HIMSELF A CHRISTIAN Is just nothing other than you refusing to concede.
If I call myself a Christian (and I'm not), no one can dispute that. Being a "christian" is not something you can measure anymore than being pagan
Daganev2005-11-09 21:00:23
Allright, I'll let you think that Hitler was a self-hating Christain, who also just happened to reject every single basic tenant of Christiantiy.
Hitler was a German. Thats what he claimed himself to be. Any other title would be a lessning of his Germaness. His religion was German, his nationality was German, his philosphy was German.
However, Hitler's religon of being a German most closely resembled that of Old Nordic and German culture, with an active distaste for Christianity, Judaism and as he called it "Mohamaedism." But I'm sure that makes him a Christain.
If Hitler was a Christain than Jews for Jesus are Jews. (which they are not)
As a side note.. Hitler never went to church as an adult. Not once.
Hitler was a German. Thats what he claimed himself to be. Any other title would be a lessning of his Germaness. His religion was German, his nationality was German, his philosphy was German.
However, Hitler's religon of being a German most closely resembled that of Old Nordic and German culture, with an active distaste for Christianity, Judaism and as he called it "Mohamaedism." But I'm sure that makes him a Christain.
If Hitler was a Christain than Jews for Jesus are Jews. (which they are not)
As a side note.. Hitler never went to church as an adult. Not once.
Daganev2005-11-09 21:09:42
Whether he was a Christain who had no faith in Christiantiy or had the view of the Nordic myths, either way he was a godless dictator.
