And Thorgal, your character demensed the Grey Moors. A neutral area. Why, I wonder? You wouldn't possibly have been setting up to attack any bashers there, now would you?

Well said.

Again, the vocal people here are really only a small cross-section of Lusternia and the admin have the whole realm at heart, not just us vocal, forum-addicted MUD freaks.

oh, and please stop generalising the Serenwilde Slaying Aiakon case study. Haven't you guys figured out: You're Meant To Fear The Moon Coven During Full Moon. I know, it may be griefing, but a simple #trigger {thing that indicates its a full moon} {#echo OH GOD ITS A FULL MOON! GET INDOORS AND SHIELD!} will suffice for now.

Y'all seem to think there's a fine line between griefing and RP. Don't like the Serenwilde Rage Coven? Then find an in-game way to hit back at them. Don't take that crap here. Take the crap in-game. Come here if there's a real imbalance, if a large number of people in an organisation is feeling repressed. Whining about single instances of abuse may be a great emotional outlet, but you're going nowhere.

If my opinion is completely uncalled for, then why the hell are the gods curbing PK and griefing more and more and more?

Gods, it couldn't be because he was demesing through/around the Magnagoran villages for protection? Cause that demesne doesn't go up through delport and along the Imperial road SW from Celest. Nup.

I looped my demesne into Delport and Shanthmark, I never in my life attacked someone in the Grey Moors without them attacking me first, I demesned the rest of it after being teamed and killed twice by:

Umbrawn, Airees, Deangelo, Ceren, Kurama, Dakine and Morik.

Without having performed any aggression against them, I do not know why they jumped me.

Then I killed them all after activating my demesne, hence they ended up on my suspect list.

I love how you stipulate that the recent changes are in some way related to your opinion. That's fresh. Anyhoo, you will note that you were not too happy about this change in the other thread? If you are going to change your mind, that's fine. But do not do a 180 and then claim your opinion is suddenly influential.

I don't speculate anything, I asked you why my opinion of people being killed unnecessarily too much is void, when the gods are curbing prime combat more and more.

I certainly understand and agree with why you did this, but going by your reasoning... even if they'd attacked you some time in the past, why jump them randomly later?

And yeah, being jumped while bashing is annoying big time.

They did not attack me in the past, they attacked and killed me twice, 3 minutes later I activated my demesne and killed them back. They were roaming around in my demesne in their team, chanting Via, hunting me.. then I killed them. How the is this random? They were bloody hunting me the whole time, even after having already killed me twice for no reason other than my demesne running into Delport, while Geb was trying to demesne the village, Magnagora's village.

morik's case study:

once upon a time Thorgal and Murphy gang banged Morik somewhere in the Merian tower when he was prepping, with some other (very damned Slow, meh) celestians to gang bang em back for some reason or other. Morik died. Morik grumbled a lot, swore a bit, got resurrected, continued on his way.

Single instances of PK are probably not whats causing issue here ladies and gents.

Here's another one, from many moons past.

Remember when the realm opened, and when people started crazily PKing and abusing avenger for cheap repercussion kills when they died in 'defendable' territory? Remember the random summonings out of villages and into enemy areas so your death wouldn't grant someone else suspect/vengeance? Do you guys have any idea how the random Celestian newbs felt? I know I felt pretty crap - that constant death thing is what threw me off as a player for the first couple times I came back. I'd suggest similar feelings occur around glomdoring today when Seren were doing their "thang" killing and being reasonably unkillable by news. They feel helpless, they can't do a thing, they get depressed, they leave.

Anyway. Ranting over. We all have drifted from the main topic and there's a perfectly good other thread that we were discussing this in.

But you must have declared on them, it wasn't self-defense.

I'd like to emphasize that Aiakon was enemied to Serenwilde cutting down trees. While he may have been slain by a Rage Coven, it was not while in the Gorgogs caves because as my log proved, the caves are indoors and you cannot fly there (or scan). Whether he was killed nearby or not is moot.

A nice situation I think sums this up:

If I were to murder Malicia and hideout for 12 hours only to be discovered by the police at my favorite pub, do they pass me up because I'm not causing any harm at that point in time? Am I innocent since 12 hours has passed?

You know what, Thorgal. It IS NOT RANDOM. What you did (as described) was FINE. The problem is that other people will extrapolate the situation and be like "Oh my god, Thorgal was randomly killing people." Were you? No. But I do hope you can see when this is twisted upon yourself how easy it is for other people to claim "victim" and cry foul when slain.

This is the same crap that goes on all the time. However, when the perspective changes, it is easier to call someone a bully than to tell someone else they are not a victim. However, you do this exact same thing when the situation is flipped.

If that would be anywhere near true, the gods would not be curbing prime combat.

No he wasn't. Aiakon had his first axe forged last month. He's been cutting down trees in retaliation at the coven. Aiakon was enemied to Serenwilde because he spanked a leprechaun when he was a novice because he was ignorant and didn't realise what he was up to. He hadn't actually done anything to serenwilde in the meantime except influence against them for Magnagora.

Aiakon WAS killed in the Caves. He complained bitterly, and the bug which had the caves as outside was then fixed by lovely Viravain, who also complimented me on my avatar. The caves have only actually been indoors extremely recently.

Moot my bottom. I have it logged. Somewhere.

I suspect the real world would be a different thing if, when we died, we came back to life shortly after at some common place on Earth.

So I dunno. Lusternia is sufficiently different to the real world, and as a game you kinda want it to be more enjoyable than said Real World for your demographic o'players, for things like your above situation to be interpreted 'fuzzily'.

Who enemied you for "spanking" a leprechaun? I'd love to see the log, I find that a bit hard to believe and someone needs fired from security.

Yes, I guess you're right. But you have to admit there's a difference in a Coven killing someone for being enemied, and someone killing the team that is hunting him.