Proposition 2: Texas Election 2005

by Rauros

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Narsrim2005-11-13 04:52:45
QUOTE(daganev @ Nov 13 2005, 12:49 AM)
For some unkown reason, the media is given full access to the medical records of people who do not want thier information given out to the public.
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In a lot of cases, it is done so illegally. However, it isn't pressed (or rather it becomes difficult to press) so nothing happens.
Daganev2005-11-13 04:56:37
QUOTE(Narsrim @ Nov 12 2005, 08:52 PM)
Marrying someone for tax breaks is not considered fraud. It isn't a crime at all. While it may violate the spirit of the tax break, it isn't exactly "wrong."

And Daganev, racists who claim to be racialists (apparently, it is a better term) make the argument that there is a difference in a black person versus a white person. They cite generic info to support this. Thus, they feel because a difference does exist (remember your man/woman argument?), we should be able to ban interracial marriage. A black can get married - to a black woman.

While this twisted rationale plays upon words and notion, it is a very good example of a half-truth argument. If we were to follow your rationale, we could conclude that these people opposed to interracial marriage are in fact NOT biggots.
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Your right they arn't biggots, they are just ignorants to the facts.

Either that, or I'm a biggot when it comes to men and woman, because I feel deep down that I know there is a difference between men and woman, and I think anyone who denies that difference is in for a world of problems when it comes to relationships.
Narsrim2005-11-13 04:58:31
QUOTE(daganev @ Nov 13 2005, 12:56 AM)
Your right they arn't biggots, they are just ignorants to the facts.

Either that, or I'm a biggot when it comes to men and woman, because I feel deep down that I know there is a difference between men and woman, and I think anyone who denies that difference is in for a world of problems when it comes to relationships.
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Ignorant to what facts? If we look at African Americans versus White Americans versus Chinese Americans on a genetic standpoint, we are talking HUGE differences in allele frequencies, base pairing combination in DNA, etc. There are differences - differences that mean jack censor.gif but none the less differences.

And I find that bigots tend to be ignorant... not void of it.
Daganev2005-11-13 05:01:49
QUOTE(Narsrim @ Nov 12 2005, 08:52 PM)
In a lot of cases, it is done so illegally. However, it isn't pressed (or rather it becomes difficult to press) so nothing happens.
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http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/menu/rush...ling.guest.html

I took the first hit on google.

Daganev2005-11-13 05:03:34
QUOTE(Narsrim @ Nov 12 2005, 08:58 PM)
Ignorant to what facts? If we look at African Americans versus White Americans versus Chinese Americans on a genetic standpoint, we are talking HUGE differences in allele frequencies, base pairing combination in DNA, etc. There are differences - differences that mean jack censor.gif but none the less differences.

And I find that bigots tend to be ignorant... not void of it.
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They would be ignorant of the fact that a green pea has 94% matching DNA to humans, so any variances in DNA mean really nothing. The only thing DNA is usefull for is finding out about an individual, not finding out about a group of people.
Narsrim2005-11-13 05:05:56
QUOTE(daganev @ Nov 13 2005, 01:01 AM)


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The state high court in Acosta held: “The statute states in simple, direct language that medical records ‘may not be furnished’ and the medical condition of a patient ‘may not be discussed’ except upon written authorization of the patient. The obvious purpose of this first sentence is to prohibit disclosure of patient medical records and the patient’s medical condition to anyone except the patient” and the patient’s doctors.

Quoting from the Acosta decision, Mr. Black argued that the Medical Privacy Statutes provide “a strict scheme for limited disclosure” of medical records, and that strict scheme expressly excludes search warrants. Instead, the scheme requires notice to the patient, a subpoena and a hearing, before anyone, including the police, can obtain patient medical records without the patient’s consent.

Narsrim2005-11-13 05:06:44
QUOTE(daganev @ Nov 13 2005, 01:03 AM)
They would be ignorant of the fact that a green pea has 94% matching DNA to humans, so any variances in DNA mean really nothing.  The only thing DNA is usefull for is finding out about an individual, not finding out about a group of people.
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What's the genetic difference from a man versus a woman compared to a black man versus a white man? We are talking small, very very very small differences.
Narsrim2005-11-13 05:09:27
You will note for reference in this conversation that two hermaphrodites may marry.
Daganev2005-11-13 05:15:21
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The state high court in Acosta held: “The statute states in simple, direct language that medical records ‘may not be furnished’ and the medical condition of a patient ‘may not be discussed’ except upon written authorization of the patient. The obvious purpose of this first sentence is to prohibit disclosure of patient medical records and the patient’s medical condition to anyone except the patient” and the patient’s doctors.

Quoting from the Acosta decision, Mr. Black argued that the Medical Privacy Statutes provide “a strict scheme for limited disclosure” of medical records, and that strict scheme expressly excludes search warrants. Instead, the scheme requires notice to the patient, a subpoena and a hearing, before anyone, including the police, can obtain patient medical records without the patient’s consent.


Right, that is the lawyer's argument, however the Judges have Twice said refused those arguments, thuse they are apealling again. Just stating that privacy is not so clear cut and you can get inconsistatn rulings multiple times.
Daganev2005-11-13 05:16:59
QUOTE(Narsrim @ Nov 12 2005, 09:06 PM)
What's the genetic difference from a man versus a woman compared to a black man versus a white man? We are talking small, very very very small differences.
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Right, thus using DNA to say that two types of people are the same or different is not really a valid argument, since the genetic difference between a particular Vegetable and a human are really very very small as well.
Narsrim2005-11-13 05:19:54
QUOTE(daganev @ Nov 13 2005, 01:16 AM)
Right, thus using DNA to say that two types of people are the same or different is not really a valid argument, since the genetic difference between a  particular Vegetable and a human are really very very small as well.
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You obviously aren't very familiar with DNA. I can easily tell the difference beween a carrot and a woman quite easily in 2005. I can also tell you the difference between a black person and a white person... and I assure you, the difference between a black person and a white person is relatively FAR smaller than a carrot. Percentages mean nothing. 1% variation is HUGE.
Daganev2005-11-13 05:21:37
QUOTE(Narsrim @ Nov 12 2005, 09:09 PM)
You will note for reference in this conversation that two hermaphrodites may marry.
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Gilmetdinova moved to Haris's town soon after that. Haris developed a fondness for the new resident and they started dating. "I liked him a lot indeed. But when people told me about his secret, I was really scared. I decided to stay away from him for a while. When a week passed, I realized that I could not live without him. My father blessed our marriage," Nurgalam said. Haris Kamalov became a perfect husband: he neither drank, nor smoked; he was a hard-working person too. Haris and Hurgalam could not register their marriage, though, because Haris was officially registered as a woman. "I could have changed my passport, but it was all about red tape. I am still listed as a woman," Haris says. "When he was young, he was very good as a man. He was very gentle and caressing in bed. He had women's bosom, yes, but it did not bother me. Nobody has


According to this article about a hermaphadite marrying a woman, this is not the case.


edit: Full article for refrance.. http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:JJ51rkv...+marriage&hl=en

A hermaphadite can marry a hermaphadite ONLY if one is registered as a male and the other registerd as a female.
Unknown2005-11-13 05:21:45
Isn't it something like all humans have more than 99% identical DNA?
Narsrim2005-11-13 05:22:26
My point was simply that if we look at what makes a man and woman different (genetically), we find that there isn't too much more that makes a white man different from a black man (primarily because the differences are so so slim).

Thus, for you to conclude that there is a "difference" between a woman/man but not a white/black man is a bit misleading.

hahaha, I am not the Devil's Advocate.
Narsrim2005-11-13 05:22:49
QUOTE(Temporary_Guido @ Nov 13 2005, 01:21 AM)
Isn't it something like all humans have more than 99% identical DNA?
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Oh yes. We are so close to each other that we don't break it down any further.
Narsrim2005-11-13 05:26:24
QUOTE(daganev @ Nov 13 2005, 01:21 AM)
According to this article about a hermaphadite marrying a woman, this is not the case.
edit: Full article for refrance.. http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:JJ51rkv...+marriage&hl=en

A hermaphadite can marry a hermaphadite ONLY if one is registered as a male and the other registerd as a female.
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That's not true in my state. Furthermore, I don't think it would hold up in court either as a hermaphrodite by definition could claim both sexes if he or she desired and the ability to "claim" sex is typically done by parents at a young age.
Daganev2005-11-13 05:28:05
QUOTE(Narsrim @ Nov 12 2005, 09:22 PM)
My point was simply that if we look at what makes a man and woman different (genetically), we find that there isn't too much more that makes a white man different from a black man (primarily because the differences are so so slim).

Thus, for you to conclude that there is a "difference" between a woman/man but not a white/black man is a bit misleading.

hahaha, I am not the Devil's Advocate.
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Again, using DNA to describe "difference"s is not a valid argument.

I would wager that I could find two white men who had a larger DNA difference than a man and a woman or a black man and a white man. Especially if one of those white men was full of allergies and cancers and other birth defects.
Daganev2005-11-13 05:30:14
QUOTE(Narsrim @ Nov 12 2005, 09:26 PM)
That's not true in my state. Furthermore, I don't think it would hold up in court either as a hermaphrodite by definition could claim both sexes if he or she desired and the ability to "claim" sex is typically done by parents at a young age.
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As the article said, he could have changed it but it would have required too much "red tape." Its also possible for a person to have a sex change operation and legally change thier sex for marriage as well. But I don't think thats an argument that Quidgybo will be happy reading tongue.gif
Narsrim2005-11-13 05:31:50
QUOTE(daganev @ Nov 13 2005, 01:28 AM)
Again, using DNA to describe "difference"s is not a valid argument.

I would wager that I could find two white men who had a larger DNA difference than   a man and a woman or a black man and a white man.  Especially if one of those white men was full of allergies and cancers and other birth defects.
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Are your familiar with Forensic Science? We can sentence people to death on the basis of "DNA differences" so I disagree.

And no, you have no idea what you are talking about as far as genetics go. I'll even give the most extreme example:

We have a set of white parents who have two white children. A (male), B (female). The karyotype of A is XXY (he has klinefelter's syndrome, a common nondisjunction disorder that occurs about 1/1000) and karyotype of B is XY. A is MORE SIMILAR to B genetically than any black man.
Daganev2005-11-13 05:36:46
I can't believe I'm arguing this...

Foresic science compares the difference between individuals, just like a finger print does. It has no bearing on how different groups of people are.

Two children from the same parents will always be more similar than two people who are not related.. that is not in question.

However, you can have a mixed couple give birth to a dark skined person and to a light skinned person. Those two people will be more similar in DNA than any other two non related light skinned people.

I'm not sure why you are trying to derail the topic into discussions about DNA matching.