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by Richter

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Richter2005-11-12 01:42:18
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Revan2005-11-12 02:22:51
There is ranged combat. Guess what it's called: point staff at blah west/north/whereever
Unknown2005-11-12 04:58:43
The only problem I see with telepathy being ranged is that parts of it would have to be nerfed so it would be equal to the other secondary skills. Telepathy is fairly well balanced if you can get creative with dominates, but mindlinks have a lot more potential.

Edit: And even though choke is ranged, it doesn't compare to the afflictions telepathy users have. I wouldn't mind a short range though, since I haven't even seen more than four active telepaths in the Aquamancers. I'm not sure how many geomancer telepaths there are
Verithrax2005-11-12 05:35:57
Ooh, another one:

QUOTE
11.2.1 Divine Congregations

The Congregation of a Divine Order is a group of people devoted to serving a
particular God or Goddess. The Divine Order represents the priesthood that
serves the Deity while the Congregation members serves as the followers.

Congregation commands:

  JOIN CONGREGATION OF
    - While at a shrine, you may attempt to join an Order's Congregation. If
      the God allows open worship. you will be automatically inducted into
      the Congregation. If the God does not allow open worship, you will first
      have to contact a member of the Divine Order to obtain access into the
      Congregation.

For Congregation members:

  CONGWHO
    - See a list of other Congregation members online with you, as well as
      Order members who wish to make their presence known to you.
  CGT
    - Speak on the Congregation communication channel.
  CGTON/CGTOFF
    - Turn the Congregation communication channel on and off.
  REJECT PATRON
    - Leave the Congregation.
  CONGHELP INDEX|
    - Read Congregation help files. See HELP ORGHELP.


For Order members:

  CONGREGATION
    - See a list of Congregation members.
  CONGVIS
    - Make yourself visible, via CONGWHO, to members of the Congregation.


For people who want to follow/serve a god, but who aren't priests and aren't all that dedicated.
Unknown2005-11-12 05:46:39
So in other words, it's basically an order, but easier to get into and has no real point besides spying on people already in it and reading files?
Unknown2005-11-12 06:25:22
QUOTE(tenqual @ Nov 12 2005, 12:46 AM)
So in other words, it's basically an order, but easier to get into and has no real point besides spying on people already in it and reading files?
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and saying things like "We love you -insert gods name here-" seems pretty useless to me.



Ya Mages/Druids get ranged combat all the time, and Wiccans get select ranged combat (full/new moon, outdoors)

Oh, there is 'same continent' as well, but I don't think we have any of those, yet at least, unless Earth is 2 continents, there has always been some weird thing between the Catacombs of Corpse Clay (where the megalith is) and the Mountains of Madness (where the Earthlords are)

I've been in a mud where there was a fair ammount of same zone ranged combat, but you also had about 1/100th the endurance we have here, think about a quick run from Magnagoria to Celest completely tireing you out, and you have to then sit around for like 10 minutes as it comes back. You had mounts avalible to you, which had about 4 times your endurance, so you could ride them, then lead them, and so forth, but ya, it would take a LOT of changes to impliment tons of ranged combat, and I really don't think we need anymore, Warriors were on a huge "give us bows" think awhile ago, and I don't think they need them either, and if they 'did' have bows, it would have to work like 'point staff' and do less damage then their swords, and.. well they wouldn't use it anyway given all of that.

Edit:hmm looking back over more of this, Ego sharing for mindlinks would be highly abusable with their forcefield, you have 4 people sit in Mag with some beauty blessings, and 1 forcefielded person go out and fight, with essentally something like 20k Ego to draw on, and if they are all sipping bromides it would just make them invincible, such a feature would need to be more like farcure, taking eq

mindchannel ego kaervas= you channel 500 ego to so-and-so

would still be highly abusable, and on the coven side of it almost useless, I never run out of mana myself, and we don't have any abilities that take up large ammounts of mana, and we (glom and seren alike) have sprites. the only time we'd ever use this is if one of our members was getting instakilled by a toadcurse(which is our ability in the first place, woot, defence against ourselves!) or deepsleep, which isn't something you can plan for and get a coven up, it's normally random attacks from dreamers you don't know about. I think Nihilists and celestines have a half mana insta kill as well? or at least Nihilists do, at any rate it would just be another things covens can do that are almost useless.
Unknown2005-11-12 06:32:18
I am really against the 'webs' thing. It would make clans far less useful, as well as telepathy. Sure it would be cool and nifty to have your own personal aether, but it would just be so that people could each have their own OOC channel.
Sylphas2005-11-12 06:51:16
QUOTE(Temporary_Guido @ Nov 12 2005, 02:32 AM)
I am really against the 'webs' thing. It would make clans far less useful, as well as telepathy. Sure it would be cool and nifty to have your own personal aether, but it would just be so that people could each have their own OOC channel.
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Having just bought a clan, I agree with this.
Ixchilgal2005-11-12 09:13:00
QUOTE(Wesmin @ Nov 12 2005, 01:25 AM)
Edit:hmm looking back over more of this, Ego sharing for mindlinks would be highly abusable with their forcefield, you have 4 people sit in Mag with some beauty blessings, and 1 forcefielded person go out and fight, with essentally something like 20k Ego to draw on, and if they are all sipping bromides it would just make them invincible, such a feature would need to be more like farcure, taking eq

mindchannel ego kaervas= you channel 500 ego to so-and-so
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Mindlink is a Telepathy ability, Forcefield is a Telekinesis ability. That application wouldn't be applicable (Or you can bet we would've been doing it already).

Furthermore, Hivemind as it stands is really...well, not that good. There used to be a -ton- of Telepaths in the guild - I don't recall ever getting more than 600 ego from Hivemind, and I've had about 6 people in a Mindlink at one time.

And it doesn't even help, because by the time that 600 ego is becoming relevant, the debate attacks are at the 'insta-kill' stage anyways.

All it really affects is your ability to go one or two rounds longer using Telepathy, before you burnout.
Estarra2005-11-12 18:00:17
QUOTE(Temporary_Guido @ Nov 11 2005, 11:32 PM)
I am really against the 'webs' thing. It would make clans far less useful, as well as telepathy. Sure it would be cool and nifty to have your own personal aether, but it would just be so that people could each have their own OOC channel.
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The 'webs' thing is what's commonly known as a 'party' feature which is used in many other games as a social enhancer (social meaning encouraging group interaction). Though I'm sitting on the fence over it, I'm actually tending towards wanting to implement it so I'm trying to think of a way to implement it that wouldn't detract from covens, mindlinks or even clans.

What if a 'party' channel had a leader (like covens) and those in a party would only be considered active if in the same local area as the leader?
Narsrim2005-11-12 18:04:43
QUOTE(Estarra @ Nov 12 2005, 02:00 PM)
The 'webs' thing is what's commonly known as a 'party' feature which is used in many other games as a social enhancer (social meaning encouraging group interaction). Though I'm sitting on the fence over it, I'm actually tending towards wanting to implement it so I'm trying to think of a way to implement it that wouldn't detract from covens, mindlinks or even clans.

What if a 'party' channel had a leader (like covens) and those in a party would only be considered active if in the same local area as the leader?
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You just have to give Covens/Mindlinks more stuff and make them special (more defensive and offensive abilities that hit in-room instead of just rage/terror, etc). Give us some firepower and give the others a voice, it is win-win! :grovel:
Saran2005-11-12 18:22:12
hehe i'm just wondering if anyone has used throw? it's ok for ranged combat and is more fun than just giving something to someone
Unknown2005-11-12 21:57:58
I vote no webs, parties, or any of that stuff. Use a clan, or maybe an artifact, but not just free.
Unknown2005-11-12 22:07:44
QUOTE(Dyr @ Nov 12 2005, 04:57 PM)
I vote no webs, parties, or any of that stuff. Use a clan, or maybe an artifact, but not just free.
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Or.. we could just upgrade clans/covens/mindlinks. Anything gained by lessons > freebie. ninja.gif

I think it'd add a new flare to it. Unless parties add defensive abilities and such (Which they probably won't, unless a Combat ability is implemented to boost it), it'll just be a nice way to bring people together. Maybe limit it to those online at the time and have them removed from the party on leaving the game.

As long as it isn't open as clans (Not that it'll ever be since clans have newsboards, privs, and a permanent channel) it should be fine. Just my opinion though.
Sylphas2005-11-12 22:29:39
QUOTE(KidHendrix @ Nov 12 2005, 06:07 PM)
Maybe limit it to those online at the time and have them removed from the party on leaving the game.
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Maybe?! blink.gif


Unknown2005-11-12 22:38:51
I'm all for improving grouping; it would especially nice if the way XP was shared was improved. But they wouldn't need a 'web'... if they were actually grouping, as opposed to just using it for a free channel, they could just 'say' or yell.
Verithrax2005-11-12 23:45:39
QUOTE(tenqual @ Nov 12 2005, 02:46 AM)
So in other words, it's basically an order, but easier to get into and has no real point besides spying on people already in it and reading files?
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Congregations have separate help files, so no. It's a sensible RP distinction; the congregation is for people who are devoted to a particular god, while the Order is for the priesthood itself. If we had congregations, the Orders would be harder to get into, and would be composed mostly of people who actively do priestly things, like performing marriages and blessing people. Congreagations would be easy to join (In Imperian, you can do it automatically at a shrine). Mostly, the Order would be concerned with rituals, writing holy books, and the such; the congregation would attend rituals and fight to protect shrines and the such.

QUOTE(KidHendrix @ Nov 12 2005, 07:07 PM)
Maybe limit it to those online at the time and have them removed from the party on leaving the game.
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That's how they're supposed to work. They're not permanent, they're just a connection between so many people that lasts for as long as there are people connected. I think that enhancing Coven/Mindlink is the best solution not to make them redundant; they're still needed for several skills anyway. As for clans, clans are permanent, have a name, priviledges, help files, and so on. A web/party/ring is just a channel; it's basically an easier way to estabilish private communication between more than two peopl people, like group tells. Oh, and in Imperian they're monitored by admins, so they don't turn into OOC channels.


QUOTE(Temporary_Guido @ Nov 12 2005, 07:38 PM)
I'm all for improving grouping; it would especially nice if the way XP was shared was improved. But they wouldn't need a 'web'... if they were actually grouping, as opposed to just using it for a free channel, they could just 'say' or yell.
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I've used a ring in Imperian; they ARE useful, specially when you have several people together in a bashing/raiding party. Putting everyone who's influencing or raiding a village in the same ring, for example, would be really useful when there's people from more than one org in the group.
Sylphas2005-11-13 01:39:20
And so I'm not spammed by CT. Of course, we have SEG for most of that now, and it's still on CT. -eye certain Serens-
Verithrax2005-11-13 02:37:13
QUOTE(Sylphas @ Nov 12 2005, 10:39 PM)
And so I'm not spammed by CT.  Of course, we have SEG for most of that now, and it's still on CT.  -eye certain Serens-
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Webs would let people from Serenwilde and Celest cooperate more easily when they're raiding/influencing together. Even though that doesn't happen very often anymore. -eye Kalo, and some other people-
Unknown2005-11-13 03:16:22
QUOTE(Verithrax @ Nov 13 2005, 02:37 AM)
Webs would let people from Serenwilde and Celest cooperate more easily when they're raiding/influencing together. Even though that doesn't happen very often anymore. -eye  Kalo, and some other people-
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Oi, I didn't think of that. Well, that's a disadvantage.

In general though, I think parties/rings/webs would be nice.