Yeah well I'm more interesting if Glom is still tainted or not. I mean.. it was tainted and then the wyrm came and changed the taint.. but is it still taint desipte it being something new? A new more dangerous form of taint then?

I need some IG justification to keep trying to rally Celest against the Glommies. I'm not sure anymore if the argument 'they are tainted' counts.

EDIT: But then saying they are allies of the Taint and thus need to be purged from the Basin would work as well.

Ok, I have a few requests. I haven't been around for the interesting parts of the event, unfortunately, so if I'm behind on the news or this has been said before, my apologies...

Obviously, alot of effort has gone into this event, admin and playerwise. While it's not yet figured out whether we'll really end up past the times of the "Glomdoring = tainted => kill" mindset or not, I can already see a number of people determined to pretty much ignore the whole event and just proceed business as usual.

I'm aware that some of you have grown quite comfortable being at "war" with Glomdoring, and would rather not adjust to something else. However, to a lot of us, the ongoing and, quite literally, mindless and fruitless conflict between Seren and Glom has grown extremely tiresome, for me personally this is a large reason of why I hardly play anymore.

My reqest is the following: Give this a chance.

I don't expect any of the hardcore anti-Glomdoring Serens to jump up and join the grouphug just because. However, what I'd like to see is willingness from all sides to embrace the possibility that maybe, just maybe, the Serenwilde and Glomdoring will manage to overcome their deep-rooted hostilities and one day join forces against the cities, and turn Lusternia into the first IRE that REALLY doesn't focus on just one axis. It will probably still take us quite a while to get there, but I am confident we can do it and will enjoy the outcome.

So, summed up, what am I asking for? Joy joy happiness? No. Just, please, don't go above and beyond to push the Serenwilde towards the same blind hatred towards wyrden Glomdoring that you enjoyed so much against tainted Glomdoring (for good reasons, I am aware). We now have a real opportunity to work on changing things for the better, or shall I say, more interesting.

Just my two cents (wordy, sorry)
- Lom

Except you are forgetting something. The main reason Serenwilde fought Glomdoring had nothing to do with the taint. That is just a convenient cop out.

Also IC we don't know what this wyrden is. Like I said, all we know is Isune didn't like what happened, and Gib ate the taint and something else was created.

Looking at the silver lining, this is good.. Taint is gone.. one less reason to hate Glomdoring.. Looking at it logically.. The taint was just one strike in many against Glomdoring.

Gregori for one isn't going to be all "oh they are not tainted now, they are wyrden, let's forget every other bad point about them, cause the taint is gone!"

I think we all forget the main problem both for Glom and Seren is their spirits/avatars hating the other side with a passion. Has that changed with the Wyrd thing?
And Glom enslaving Fae, that helps too.

-.- As i think i've said before, Crow, Night are all unchanged by this, well except Blacktalon droods cause they dont infest anymore, cause you know, they wyrd it all out. The spirits are fine and dandy and back to their old Seren hating self, but it'd be nice if Celest was less kill Glom and more kill mag.

Well all that's ever mattered to me was that Glom was tainted.. if it's not anymore I'd have no reason to go against it IG, -unless- they ALLY with the TAINT, then they are allies of my enemies and thusly enemies. So really up to Glom now.

EDIT: And yes I would love it if they take that chance to change the Glom RP.. Glom was never anti taint though it should have been (since they thought Glom wasn't tainted and all), that kinda irked me the most

Well... Mag doens't kill Seren because they're celests allies of sorts, and visa versa, they just kill you both because your bad to them. Yes glom maybe be allies with Mag, but who else can they be with, they might be on par with Celest by them selves, maybe, but Seren no, they still need Mag for support most of the time. Celest wont ally with them since Night and Crow are still tainted, Serenwilde has it totally in their rp to burn them to nil. Celest should lay off the Glom, and concentrate on Magnagora, as they are the only evil left really. Serenwilde should either burn GLomdoring or try to, or concentrate on Magnagora, or do both. Either way, Seren is the only one that it totally in their rp to burn Glom.

Just because your ally is tainted, it doesn't make you tainted.

How should glom be anti taint? It was the tainted who showed them help when Celest and Seren were killing everyone in sight. Why the hell would they turn their backs on their only allies because they're slightly different?

Nil Vs. Celest

Night/Crow Vs. Moon/Hart

the beings that either side worships/respects hate each other. That's a big deal, even though the Crow/Hart quest has been turned off for quite awhile now (we think because Glom would just be to weak if it was turned back on, as Crow would die once a full moon. That would be something like 5000 power drained from the Ravenwood every 3 days or so... which is not something the admins would want to expose a newer weaker playerbase to. at least, this is what we think)

It's interesting that mag/seren recentally have been at most at odds with each other, and Celest/Glomdoring. I -could- make Nature/city referances to that, but in all I think it's because smiliar in strength forces are fighting each other.


Looking at it from an IC RP based perspective here, if Glomdoring continues to threaten the fae the Moondancer RP will still be against them; if Glomdoring continues to threaten the Serenwilde territories already held the Serenguard RP will still be against them; if Glomdoring's new weirded form of nature is more threatening then before to the natural balance, Hartstone RP will be against them.

all in all, Celest and Serenwilde have some similar goals and a strained relationship, what this event holds for the Glom/Mag relationship... well I'm interested to see how it will all play out.

See, this is why I like my RP. I can pretty much ignore the avatar conflicts, since Sylphas simply thinks the Serenwilde is innately better and stronger and wouldn't have any problem staving off an attack. It's like trying to take a 5 year old seriously when he starts threatening to beat you up. You just kind of smile and pat his head, and if he hits you, you knock him the hell out. -nod me-

I think I shall just sum up the main points of my post then for you, just to make sure I'm not misunderstood like this...

1: Little about the effects of the recent even is known, please don't jump to conclusions yet, read, jump on the "it doesn't matter anyway" bandwagon. Yet, at least.

2: I'm aware Serenwilde hates Glomdoring for good reasons. I don't expect any Glomdoring haters to be all buddy with the Wyrden Forest now just because.

3: This event seems like a great opportunity to maybe for once shift to a more interesting axis than the tainted VS non-tainted orgs one. Please give it a chance to work out.


The Serenwilde used to hate Glomdoring because:
- the taint
- the avatars demanding it
- fae enslaving
- the struggle over faethorn

In my opinion, all of these issues stem from Glomdoring being tainted.

- The avatars demand war on Glomdoring because of what happened back then to Gloriana, Mother Night and Brother Raven, which was caused by the touch of Kethuru, ergo the taint. As you can see from the event, Glomdoring has changed, what exactly this means is not yet known, but what we can tell is that simply considering it "tainted" does not quite meet the requirements anymore.

- The Shadowdancers enslave fae because when Gloriana became tainted, the fae who used to live there fled/died, so the only way to get them was forcing them into Mother Night's clutches. Assuming the wyrd indeed is different from the taint and going by the appearance of the fae in Glomdoring during the event, chances are we'll hear more about this soon, and maybe the fae will indeed return to Glomdoring, somehow. This could consequently mean the Shadowdancer need enslave fae no more.

- The struggle over Faethorn stemmed from the pixies asking the Moondancers to protect them from Mother Night, who they feared because she was tainted and evil. Again, this may well change now, we will see.

I don't expect Gregori the character to go "oh they are not tainted now, they are wyrden, let's forget every other bad point about them, cause the taint is gone!". I'm quite convinced Gregori would have a rough time adjusting to the new state of things. I do though ask the player behind Gregori to be willing to accept that maybe this event will introduce a new era, eventually resolve past enmities and hopefully join the communes in alliance. It's something I personally would like to see happen, because it will be interesting, just as the tainted/refusing-to-see-it Glomdoring theme was interesting for a while. We'll see.

I have my doubts this'll change much.

Not that I'm exactly around enough to care much >.>

You forget the number one reason for conflict, between any groups in the game:

"I am strong, you are weak. It is therefore fun for me to kill you all the time."

As long as this remains true, Glomdoring will be screwed because we are small. People who want to beat up on some group because they can will justify it however they can, even if Raziela shoots SUPER-OMG-NOT-TAINT-BEAMS out of her ass and turns Glomdoring into Estelbar 2: Furrikin's Snugglefest Revenge.

That said, from an actual RP perspective, it'll be interesting to see where this goes. I don't really want to say anything until we figure it all out.

erm..

Also Celest is anti Taint. So if Glom is still tainted Celest will be against them. What I was implying that since they are 'wryden' now they might not be tainted anymore..

If that's the case the Celest-Glom relationship might change.. but it would also depend on the Glom-Mag one. I mean if Glom helps Mag against Celest, then of course Celest would be against Glom, tainted or not.


EDIT: And Etanru I see you reading this! change the darn Glom RP, I'm tired of the Celenwilde vs Magnadoring conflict! I want something new! (and for the Admins by the way)

EDIT number 459000: OMG!

Ah, I see, you want a Celenwildering vs Magnagora comflict. Or atleast it seems that way to me with your comments about how Glomdoring should be anti-taint. As well as this idea that it is only Glomdoring's RP that creates the current political stagnancy.

More like a fluent thing like commune vs city but with NO fix ties. There are so many quests that would help with that but yeah..

What I just dislike the most is that it is -always- Celest and Seren... and Magnagora and Glomdoring... always, never changes. They can ally or not but never would Seren ally with Glom or the cities against the communes.

Maybe when/if Hallifax and Gaudiguch come out (if ever) that we will see some change there.

Well, Magnagora is not willing to have our taint removed or changed, just so it's easier for Celest to come to a agreement with us. Nor would we like a situation where every organization is opposed to us and not so much against each other. Personally, I view the current situation with the political stagnancy, to not be the fault organizational innate RP, but more because of the inflexibility of the people involved in each organization. As well as the lack of situations where two organizations can find common cause together in a conflict despite their differences.

Adding more organizations to the mix, would change little in my opinion, as well.

Well I liked the Kethuru event -alot-

Okay, let me ask a question here. Do you really expect us to kick the ONLY people who have even TRIED to help us, even though we spent IC years telling them where to take their trash and did what we could to completely alienate them from us? We even enemied Kaervas and tried to kill him (for all the good that did us ).

The Glomdoring's current stance isn't based on whether or not we're tainted... most of us haven't seen ourselves that way, so becoming wyrden, well... it doesn't affect us. Life goes on. Now, it may change *your* RP towards us, that's your choice, but it does not change the fact that Magnagorans were (and still are!) the only ones who don't take every opportunity to attack and kill saying "Omgz the taint die!"

Your views of us may have changed / may be up in the air. If you truly want our politics to change, don't expect it to happen automagically. RP it! Or don't complain when we keep on doing what we have been.

Eh? I think you are the only one who does.

I believe enough people have posted even on this thread alone, in the last few hours saying how our "innate organizational RP" is the basis of how conflict in Lusternia is layed out, to completely spell out that everone believes the former, not the latter, in your statement.

well, Serenwilde tryed that once, it ended up (well there have been about 10 threads on that so far, most of them in idiots, so I won't get into it here) ..lets just say "badly".

The event post even screams it at us (players)
...where the earth itself is wyrden and the repercussions are only just beginning to be felt.


I think that's the admin telling us to not make forum posts on it, battling it out, and to just wait and see.