The Wyrd and Glomdoring

by Verithrax

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Shiri2005-11-17 01:08:09
Hmm.

I think that it was Gloriana by virtue of being untainted glomdoring.
Daganev2005-11-17 01:10:38
I thought those spots were gloriana, not a clean glomdoring.


edit: Meaning She created a new gloriana spot, as apposed to this where the wyrdling sucked the taint out.

edit2: Its like when a person smelts a sword and then reforges, as appopsed to someone who takes an existing sword and polishes and sharpens it.

reposting here so the edits arn't lost.
Shiri2005-11-17 01:16:30
I would say that whether she 'destroyed' or 'purified' Kethuru's mark she still editted it somehow. It's not like she ended up with "Taint slag."
Unknown2005-11-17 01:20:23
Nah, she had to remake the forest. Destroy the corrupted version, and put healthy forest in its place.

I wouldn't call this a way to remove the taint though, sounds more like a way Glomdoring has found to use it to their advantage.

And yeah, its not really going to change anything between Seren/Glom, but it will likely change the relationship between Glom/Mag and Glom/Celest.

And I like that it gives Glom a non-insane position to argue from. Elryn will still no doubt have the "corrupted nature is bad" "there is no taint!" debates, but its not obviously in our favour anymore.
Daganev2005-11-17 01:21:11
I have forgotten, why did the locations revert back?
Unknown2005-11-17 01:25:41
When Viravain was possessed by Kethuru, either the corruption was channeled through her attempts to heal the Ravenwood, and thus her work was undone, or she retainted it when she was flying around dropping tentacles and things.

I wasn't there at the time, so I'm not certain which order of events took place.
Shiri2005-11-17 01:25:53
QUOTE(daganev @ Nov 17 2005, 01:21 AM)
I have forgotten, why did the locations revert back?
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Same reason Magnagora was originally, Kethuru's presence.
Daganev2005-11-17 01:31:37
Nothing got tainted by Viravain when she was possesed by Kethuru. It was my impression that she used the seal and got overwhelmed all her efforts reverted, and then she became possessed by kethuru as the seal broke.

But I don't remember if they reverted before the seal broke or long after the seal broke, or exactly as the seal broke.
Shiri2005-11-17 01:40:50
I'd like to say after, but I have a suspicion it was while the seal was breakING.
Unknown2005-11-17 01:41:58
QUOTE(daganev @ Nov 17 2005, 01:31 AM)
Nothing got tainted by Viravain when she was possesed by Kethuru.  It was my impression that she used the seal and got overwhelmed all her efforts reverted, and then she became possessed by kethuru as the seal broke.

But I don't remember if they reverted before the seal broke or long after the seal broke, or exactly as the seal broke.
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Why would they revert? They didn't in the months between her remakings, they didn't when Magnagora tried to retaint them.

I'm fairly certain it was because she was possessed by Kethuru, or because his force went through her when the seal broke.
Daganev2005-11-17 01:51:46
Magnagora can't taint things. Only Kethuru can.

I was under the impression that when Viravain was possesed by Kethuru she dissapeared, much how like viravain was in Isune's body, and sometimes Isune would dissapear. While Viravain dissapeared should could not maintain her new creations.

Unknown2005-11-17 01:57:04
Well, that's a very outlandish theory. Who knows, you could probably go with that in character.

But I'm not sure you can just ignore the fact that Kethuru, source of all taint, happened to be right there. And this one time that Viravain wasn't physically standing nearby, things decided to pop back the way they were.
Aiakon2005-11-17 03:44:32
QUOTE(daganev @ Nov 17 2005, 02:51 AM)
Magnagora can't taint things.  Only Kethuru can.
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...geocast taint?
Xenthos2005-11-17 03:45:24
QUOTE(Aiakon @ Nov 16 2005, 11:44 PM)
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...geocast taint?
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He means true taint, not the little surface thingy. Geomancers just change the impression, not the actual environment.

Just like aquamancers don't turn every room into true oceans, and druids don't turn villages into actual forests (still urban environment).
Daganev2005-11-17 03:48:33
QUOTE(Avaer @ Nov 16 2005, 05:57 PM)
Well, that's a very outlandish theory. Who knows, you could probably go with that in character.

But I'm not sure you can just ignore the fact that Kethuru, source of all taint, happened to be right there. And this one time that Viravain wasn't physically standing nearby, things decided to pop back the way they were.
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It just seemed odd to me that the swamps did not become tainted nor anything else that is part of the glomdoring area but was not tainted. I would think that if weakened kethuru was the source of tainting things than more then just those few rooms Viravain reverted would become tainted.

Its like letting off a nuclear bomb and only having some of the houses get radiation poisoning.
Shiri2005-11-17 03:48:47
People will argue as to whether that's "real" taint or not. It could be claimed that it's just summoning pre-tainted earth from Earth, like a druid summoning Etherwood (which is why you make islands in water.) Kethuru's presence also is related.

I'd disagree, but eh.

(And isn't it a bit late, Aia?)

Edit: Damn click keyboard!
Narsrim2005-11-17 03:49:39
QUOTE(Xenthos @ Nov 16 2005, 11:45 PM)
He means true taint, not the little surface thingy.  Geomancers just change the impression, not the actual environment.

Just like aquamancers don't turn every room into true oceans, and druids don't turn villages into actual forests (still urban environment).
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Wow, that's overly simplistic... no?
Daganev2005-11-17 03:52:53
From a pure game mechanics point of view, Geocast and melding do not work with taint or non-taint. It deals with tainted wasteland or not. So tainted waters don't give geoabilities, nor did tainted forest, nor would tainted lava pits. Taint is clearly an added adjective to the status of the wastelands (i.e. pure earth). Just as Sylvan, or Wyrd is for forests.

If Magnagora was cleansed of the taint, it would still be turning locations into wastelands.

Edit: Narsrim, the argument was made that you should be able to make forests in Nil and Celestia because its not real forests just ethereal impressions of them. (i.e don't need soil for the roots to grow)
Shiri2005-11-17 03:55:27
QUOTE(daganev @ Nov 17 2005, 03:52 AM)
From a pure game mechanics point of view, Geocast and melding do not work with taint or non-taint. It deals with tainted wasteland or not. So tainted waters don't give geoabilities, nor did tainted forest, nor would tainted lava pits.  Taint is clearly an added adjective to the status of the wastelands (i.e. pure earth).  Just as Sylvan, or Wyrd is for forests.
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That's wrong, I'm sure. You used to do forests like wastes, only the infestation forced them to deforest.

And I swore Sea/despair is meld legal, hmm.
Unknown2005-11-17 04:00:13
I'm fairly sure it is wrong too. Except for 'tainted forest', which no longer exists, all 'tainted' environments are freely meldable.

I've never seen the corrosiveness of taint line in Ankrag, the Shallach rivers, the catacombs, Shallach ruins, sea of despair, or spectre isle, at least.