Well, Sylphas and Shorlen seem to want to try a match of this, and I'll ref the match and stuff.

I made a nice low-power ruleset for making the teams - I'll post it here in a short bit, as well as a map to playon (both in text form and an image that a friend made of the map.)

The BMG is here: http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/psx/game/197339.html
Although you don't need to fret with doing all the calculations - that'll mostly be up to me, as i update the gamestate after your moves.

Ruleset: Trying to make this a low-power match, thus the moderately large ban-list, mainly aiming to prohibit high-power and high-cost abilities.

Level 23
Here is a list of stats, just look up the class and then find the level 23 row
http://www.geocities.com/Zouf300/charts.html

Every Job but Mime is avaialable, up to one allowed of each Job Type and individual

Ability and Skillset, unless noted as being banned. Mix and match as you please.

4 people on a team
12 main zodiac signs, 40-70 brave & faith.

Bans: (Unallowed)

Mime (Job)
Archer: None
Bard: Move +3, Fly
Calculator: Math Skill
Chemist: Potion, X-Potion, Elixer, Hi-Ether
Dancer: Fly
Geomancer: None
Knight: None
Lancer: Level 8 Jump, Vertical 6 Jump, Vertical 7 Jump, Vertical 8 Jump (Note: This means 5 range 5 vertical max)
Mediator: Invitation
Monk: Earth Slash, Hamedo
Ninja: Sunken State, Throw Axe (Note that you need to have a weapon to throw it)
Oracle: None
Priest: Holy
Samurai: Koutetsu (reminder - you need to have the swords to use the abilities)
Squire: None
Summoner: Bahamut, Odin, Leviathan, Salamander, Fairy, Cyclops, Zodiac
Thief: None
Time Mage: Meteor, Short Charge
Wizard: None

Having a skill innate (in the case of 2-swords and martial arts) counts as having that skill used, so you can have a monk primary, or a non-monk with martial arts.

Note, Only Hi-Potions are available, so Auto-Potion activates with Hi-Potion.

Equips Allowed:
Here is the available equipment. Pretty much its whatevers available right at the start of chapter 3, with a few exceptions. I have omitted equipment which is worse in every possible way (stuff that has less attack power or HP and has no special abilities associated with it to make it desirable in any way - so no "clothes" and "leather hats" to scroll through here) If you guys want, I can flesh this out and have the attack power and any effects given by the equipment shown here too.

Dagger: Blind Knife, Mage Masher, Main Gauche
Sword: Coral Sword, Ancient Sword
Axe: Giant Axe
Flail: Flail
Gun: Romanda Gun
Crossbow: Night Killer, Cross Bow, Poison Bow
Longbow: Ice Bow, Lightning Bow, Mythril Bow
Knight Sword: (none available)
Katana: Asura Knife, Bizen Boat
Spear: Mythril Spear
Ninja Sword: Hidden Knife
Staff: White Staff, Rainbow Staff, Wizard Staff
Rod: Rod, Fire Rod, Ice Rod, Thunder Rod, Poison Rod
Stick: Musk Rod
Dictionary: Battle Dictionary
Harps: Ramia Harp
Cloth: Persia
Throwable: Shuriken, Magic Shuriken, Fire Ball, Water Ball, Lightning Ball
Bag: C Bag
Hat: Triangle Hat, Green Beret, Twist Headband
Clothing: Wizard Outfit, Brigandine
Robe: Wizard Robe
Helmet: Cross Helmet
Armor: Gold Armor
Shield: Mythril Shield, Gold Shield, Ice Shield, Flame Shield

Accessories:
Shoes: Battle Boots, Spike Shoes, Rubber Shoes, Feather Boots
Mantles: Wizard Mantle
Armlets/Gloves: Diamond Armlet, Defense Armlet, Defense Ring, Magic Gauntlet, N-Kai Armlet, Reflect Ring

Items of note: Hi-Potion, Phoenix Down, Remedy, Ether.

Map: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v682/sqp...pinprogress.jpg

The one on the RIGHT is the normal perspective.
Water gives standard movement penalty. (2 movement per square when walking into a square with water) Characters that are in depth 2 water cannot as per normal, also.

To read this text map, the notation is height (decimal omitted) then terrain type. Water is shown with height, then depth (1d2 means the surface of the water is at height 1, and it is of depth 2) The map doesn't show inclines, the major inclines that should be noted are the stairs on either side of the building - 4 jump can get you onto the building. (easy to see on the graphical map)

-------A-----B-----C-----D-----E-----F-----G-----H-----I-----J-----K---
01- | 85 n| 80 n| 70 c| 40 c| 15 d|1d1 w|1d1 w|1d1 w| 15 d| 25 d| 35 d|
02- | 75 n| 75 n| 65 g| 70 c|1d2 w|1d2 w|1d1 w|1d1 w|1d1 w| 15 d| 15 d|
03- | 70 n| 70 g| 55 g| 55 g| 40 g| 45 s|1d2 w|1d2 w|1d1 w|1d1 w|1d1 w|
04- | 65 n| 55 g| 55 g| 55 g|100 r|100 r|100 r| 30 c|1d2 w|1d1 w|1d1 w|
05- | 65 n| 55 g| 55 g| 55 g|130 r|130 r|130 r| 35 g| 35 g|1d2 w| 15 d|
06- | 55 n| 55 n| 60 g| 60 n|160 r|160 r|160 r| 35 g| 35 g| 35 g| 15 d|
07- | 45 n| 45 n| 45 f| 60 n|160 r|160 r|160 r| 40 g| 40 g| 40 g|1d2 w|
08- | 45 n| 45 n| 35 f| 55 n|130 r|130 r|130 r| 45 g| 45 g| 45 g| 45 c|
09- | 40 n| 40 n| 25 f| 50 n|100 r|100 r|100 r| 45 g| 45 g| 45 g| 50 g|
10- | 40 n| 45 n| 15 f| 45 n| 45 s| 40 n| 40 n| 40 g| 45 g| 55 g| 65 g|
11- | 50 n| 50 n| 10 f| 10 c| 10 f| 15 f| 25 f| 35 f| 45 f| 55 g| 65 n|
12- | 60 n| 50 n| 50 n| 50 n| 45 n| 45 n| 50 n| 55 n| 65 n| 75 n| 75 n|
13- | 70 n| 65 n| 60 n| 60 n| 60 n| 60 n| 60 n| 60 n| 70 n| 80 n| 80 n|

F: STO: STONE FLOOR (CARVE MODEL)
W: WAY: WATERWAY (WATER BALL)
R: ROF: ROOF (GUSTY WIND)
S: STA: STAIRS (DEMON FIRE)
C: ROC: ROCKY CLIFF (LOCAL QUAKE)
D: SAN: DESERT (QUICKSAND)
G: GRA: GRASSLAND (HELL IVY)
N: ROAD (PITFALL)
N: NAT: NATURAL SURFACE (PITFALL)

Here's a character template to use
Starting positions are the 4x4 area in each corner.

Unit Name:
Gender:
Zodiac:
Northwest starting position:
Southeast starting position:
Job class:
Secondary:
Reaction:
Movement:
Support:
---
Right hand:
Left hand:
Head:
Body:
Accessory:
---
Brave:
Faith:
HP:
MP:
PA:
MA:
Speed:
Move:
Jump:
---
Chance to be hit from Front:
Chance to be hit from Side:
Chance to be hit from Rear:
Chance to be hit by Magic:
Immune:
Status:

My team is done, just waiting on you, Sylphas. I'll edit this post with the team when you're done too.

All I will say for now is that this game will be HIGHLY amusing And very short.

I've yet to get a chance to build mine. I forgot how complicated it would be to actually build a team from scratch without the whole gameplay thing backing it up, and Thanksgiving and all. Oh, and I really didn't mean to ignore you sylverfyre, just forgot an away message.

Pick a theme and go with it. One of us will get our butt kicked, and then we get to do it again more intelligently I'm going for fun more than effect.

ooh! can i be a random person that just walks around the map?

Only if the first team to kill you gets a level up for all their members, making them jump up and down joyfully like those FFT characters like to do.

Its ok sylphas, I figured you were a chronic AFKer or something to that effect. Poke me on MSN anytime, I'll help you throw your team together, give you ideas, etc. Shorlen's actaully throwing a ton of 'useful' abilities here - should give you some ideas, I can spout out some ideas for how to set up a character that you want if I could catch you not afk!

Sylphas, I'll make it a bit easier for you:


Useful reaction abilities:

Blade Grasp (30% base chance to be hit by all physical sources)
Auto Potion (heals 70 70% of the time you take damage, remember)
Critical Quick (useful if you actually get into critical)
HP Restore (useful if you actually get into critical)
Speed Save (+1 speed 70% of the time you get hit, best combined with someone who does next to no damage)
Damage Split (half damage 70% of the time if it doesn't kill you, and hurts them)
MP Switch (good for those who don't use their MP)
Counter Flood (very good damageing counter, since if it fires, it will always hit, and has a chance of doing really painful afflictions)
Abandon (good on shield wielders)
Counter Magic (can be good *shrugs*)
A Save (+1 attack 70% of the time you get hit)



Support abillities:

Concentrate (never miss, except against people with blade grasp)
Attack Up (4/3rds damage with physical)
Magic AttackUp (4/3rds damage with magic)
Defence Up (2/3rds damage from physical)
Magic DefendUp (2/3rds damage from magic)
Two Swords (wield two swords, hit twice)
Two Hands (double wp for normal attacks, no shield)
Throw Item (for non-chemists with ITEM)
Half of MP (Good for wizards and summoners (that aren't using MA Up))
Equip Armor (Great for monks, includes knight armor AND helms)
Equip Shield (I guess it can be useful sometimes)
Equip Change (Yes, it is actually useful in certain situations. Think about it)
Equip Spear (For non-lancers you want to give JUMP to)


Movement Abilities:

Move +2 (amazingly good)
Move +1 (not quite as good)
Teleport (people do not block movement, includes ignore height, allows you to take a chance and teleport REALLY far (chance to succeed is 100% minus 10% for each square more than your move stat you try to teleport)
Ignore Height (lets you get on top of that big house in the center)
Jump +3 (also lets you get on top of that big house in the center. Note you only need 4 jump to get up there if you take the stairs, much more if you don't)
Move-MP Up (restore 10% MP every turn, as long as you move a single square)
Move-HP Up (restore 10% HP every turn, as long as you move a single square)

Remember that Any Weather is worthless because it is not raining. Not that it is useful if it IS raining, but it is COMPLETELY worthless in this game instead of NEARLY COMPLETELY worthless.

The following let you walk through water at normal speed, but different depths.
Any Ground
Move in Water
Walk on Water



Useful skillsets:

Black Magic (lots of damage)
Item (instant healing and reviving)
Draw Out (lots of instant damage if you have high MA)
Talk Skill (useful to have low faith if you're set up for it, threaten is NICE against people with good counters, like blade grasp, and monks)
White Magic (healing and reviving, but not instant)
Summon (high damage, large area of effect, high mp costs)
Sing (buff your party)
Dance (debuff your enemies)
Basic Skill (accumulate! and throw stone is nice if you have someone with speed save or a save)
Punch Art (chakra, ranged normal attack (wave fist), revive)
Geomancy (instant ranged, aoe damage, small chance of good status effects)
Charge (extra damage if you have the time)
Jump (ranged physical damage, much more useful for spear wielders)
Throw (ranged speed based damage, move based range)
Time Magic (haste, don't move, slow, stop, quick)
Yin-Yang (paralyse, innocent, pray faith, spell absorb, foxbird)



Good stat lines:

Male Ninja: (best speed, good PA)
Level 23 HP 56-60, MP 18-19, PA 9, MA 4, SP 9

Female Wizard: (best MA)
Level 23 HP 56-60, MP 57-61, PA 3, MA 10, SP 7

Female Time Mage: (second best MA)
Level 23 HP 56-60, MP 54-57, PA 2, MA 9, SP 7

Female Priest: (good speed, good MA)
Level 23 HP 67-72, MP 54-57, PA 5, MA 7, SP 8

Male Monk: (good speed, good PA, good HP)
Level 23 HP 129-138, MP 28-30, PA 9, MA 4, SP 8

Male Knight/Lancer: (good PA, best HP (with armor))
Level 23 HP 108-115, MP 26-28, PA 9, MA 4, SP 7 (Knight)
Level 23 HP 108-115, MP 16-17, PA 9, MA 2, SP 7 (Lancer)

Does anyone know what the actual % chance of geomancy effects are? Maybe I'm not looking in the right place, but both the game and a few of the FAQs I've used try to tell me it's 100%, which is obviously the chance of the effect hitting rather than the petrification etc.

20-25%, randomly determined

It's a 25% chance that the status activates.

I already know the end of the game: CONGRATULATIONS! You have beaten the game....

By the way, anyone else who wants to make a team under this ruleset, I'll love you forever (and be happy to play against you, or set you up for a match, or something)

Unit Name: Clotho
Gender: Female
Zodiac: Taurus
Northwest starting position: A-1
Southeast starting position: Mirror
Job class: Chemist
Secondary: Yin-Yang Magic
Reaction: Auto-potion
Support: Defend Up
Movement: Teleport
---
Right hand: Romanda Gun
Left hand: ---
Head: Triangle Hat
Body: Wizard Outfit
Accessory: Wizard Mantle
---
Brave: 70
Faith: 70
HP: 146
MP: 51
PA: 3
MA: 7
Speed: 7
Move: 3
Jump: 3
Chance to hit from front - 77%
Chance to hit everything else - 82%
Status -
Immune -

Unit Name: Lachesis
Gender: Female
Zodiac: Capricorn
Northwest starting position: A-2
Southeast starting position: Mirror
Job class: Mediator
Secondary: Time Magic
Reaction: Damage Split
Movement: Move-MP Up
Support: Equip Shield
---
Right hand: Romanda Gun
Left hand: Mythril Shield
Head: Triangle Hat
Body: Wizard Robe
Accessory: Wizard Mantle
---
Brave: 70
Faith: 70
HP: 138
MP: 58
PA: 4
MA: 9
Speed: 7
Move: 3
Jump: 3
Chance to hit from Front - 60%
Chance to hit from side - 63%
Chance to hit from Rear - 82%
Chance to hit from Magic - 77%
Status -
Immune -

Unit Name: Atropos
Gender: Female
Zodiac: Virgo
Northwest starting position: B-1
Southeast starting position: Mirror
Job class: Knight
Secondary: Charge
Reaction: Speed Save
Movement: Ignore Height
Support: Equip Gun
---
Right hand: Romanda Gun
Left hand: Mythril Shield
Head: Cross Helmet
Body: Gold Armor
Accessory: Wizard Mantle
---
Brave: 70
Faith: 40
HP: 248
MP: 30
PA: 7
MA: 5
Speed: 7
Move: 3
Jump: 3
Chance to hit from Front - 57%
Chance to hit from side - 63%
Chance to hit from Rear - 82%
Chance to hit from Magic - 77%
Status -
Immune -


Unit Name: Wepaw
Gender: Male
Zodiac: Cancer
Northwest starting position: A-3
Southeast starting position: Mirror
Job class: Monk
Secondary: Basic Skill
Reaction: Blade Grasp
Movement: Move +2
Support: Equip Armor
---
Right hand: Nekkid
Left hand: ---
Head: Cross Helmet
Body: Gold Armor
Accessory: Diamond Armlet
---
Brave: 70
Faith: 40
HP: 278
MP: 30
PA: 10
MA: 4
Speed: 8
Move: 5
Jump: 4

Chance to hit from Front - 80%
Chance to hit everything else - 100%
Status -
Immune - Slow

Team Name: Terenas' Angels (don't kill me)

All status/immunities in parentheses are jokes and have no actual effect.

I'm so going to get slaughtered.

CUTE.

I love the immunity: missing.

Thanks for that.

I found the matchup amusing, anyway. Glass cannons vs firing squad

ANYWAY, since noone voiced a preference in which starting corner they wanted, we'll just have it be completely random.
Heads = Shorlen takes northwest corner
Penny comes up Heads


-------A-----B-----C-----D-----E-----F-----G-----H-----I-----J-----K---
01- | 85 n| 80 n| 70 c| 40 c| 15 d|1d1 w|1d1 w|1d1 w| 15 d| 25 d| 35 d|
02- | 75 n| 75 n| 65 g| 70 c|1d2 w|1d2 w|1d1 w|1d1 w|1d1 w| 15 d| 15 d|
03- | 70 n| 70 g| 55 g| 55 g| 40 g| 45 s|1d2 w|1d2 w|1d1 w|1d1 w|1d1 w|
04- | 65 n| 55 g| 55 g| 55 g|100 r|100 r|100 r| 30 c|1d2 w|1d1 w|1d1 w|
05- | 65 n| 55 g| 55 g| 55 g|130 r|130 r|130 r| 35 g| 35 g|1d2 w| 15 d|
06- | 55 n| 55 n| 60 g| 60 n|160 r|160 r|160 r| 35 g| 35 g| 35 g| 15 d|
07- | 45 n| 45 n| 45 f| 60 n|160 r|160 r|160 r| 40 g| 40 g| 40 g|1d2 w|
08- | 45 n| 45 n| 35 f| 55 n|130 r|130 r|130 r| 45 g| 45 g| 45 g| 45 c|
09- | 40 n| 40 n| 25 f| 50 n|100 r|100 r|100 r| 45 g| 45 g| 45 g| 50 g|
10- | 40 n| 45 n| 15 f| 45 n| 45 s| 40 n| 40 n| 40 g| 45 g| 55 g| 65 g|
11- | 50 n| 50 n| 10 f| 10 c| 10 f| 15 f| 25 f| 35 f| 45 f| 55 g| 65 n|
12- | 60 n| 50 n| 50 n| 50 n| 45 n| 45 n| 50 n| 55 n| 65 n| 75 n| 75 n|
13- | 70 n| 65 n| 60 n| 60 n| 60 n| 60 n| 60 n| 60 n| 70 n| 80 n| 80 n|


Terenas and Tsuki have same letter, Tsuki will be designated by S.
Atropos and Asmodea have same letter, umm.. Asmodea will be O because I'm not using O for anything.
Tiebreaks randomly determined by repeated rolls of a d8-
Wepaw > asmOdea > Lachesis > tSuki > Terenas > Atropos > Munsia > Clotho
W>O>L>S>T>A>M>C

Compatibilities:
Wepaw - Best to Lachesis, Good to Terenas
Clotho - Good to Tsuki Asmodea Lachesis Atropos
Atropos - Best to Terenas, Good to Munsia Clotho Lachesis
Lachesis - Best to Wepaw, Good to Munsia Clotho Tsuki Asmodea

Terenas - Best to Tsuki Asmodea Atropos, Good to Wepaw
Munsia - Good to Tsuki Asmodea Lachesis Atropos
Tsuki - Best to Terenas, Good to Munsia Clotho Lachesis
Asmodea - Best to Terenas, Good to Munsia Clotho Lachesis

---A-B-C-D-E-F-G-H-I-J-K-
01-n-n-c-c-d-w-w-w-d-d-d-
02-S-O-g-c-w-w-w-w-w-d-d-
03-M-T-g-g-g-s-w-w-w-w-w-
04-n-g-g-g-r-r-r-c-w-w-w-
05-n-g-g-g-r-r-r-g-g-w-d-
06-n-g-g-n-r-r-r-g-g-g-d-
07-n-n-f-n-r-r-r-g-g-g-w-
08-n-n-f-n-r-r-r-g-g-g-c-
09-n-n-f-n-r-r-r-g-g-g-g-
10-n-n-f-n-s-n-n-g-g-g-g-
11-n-n-f-c-f-f-f-f-f-g-W-
12-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-L-
13-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-A-C-

Fates+Wepaw
Clotho HP 134/134 MP 61/61 PA3 MA9 SP7 Move3T Jump3 Br70 Fa70 -
Lachesis HP 138/138 MP 58/58 PA4 MA8 SP7 Move3 Jump3 Br70 Fa70 -
Atropos HP 248/248 MP 30/30 PA7 MA5 SP7 Move3 Jump3 Br70 Fa40 -
Wepaw HP 278/278 MP 30/30 PA10 MA4 SP8 Move5 Jump4 Br70 Fa 40 - WEPAW! (Infinite)

Terenas' Angels
Terenas HP158/158 MP19/19 PA9 MA4 SP10 Move6 Jump4 Br70 Fa51 - Ninja (Infinite)
Munsia HP130/130 MP95/95 PA3 MA15 SP7 Move3T Jump3 Br70 Fa70 - Bovine (Infinite), Suicidal (Infinite)
Tsuki HP150/150 MP79/79 PA5 MA10 SP9 Move4 Jump3I Br70 Fa70 - Exasperated (Infinite), Overworked (Infinite)
Asmodea HP138/138 MP79/79 PA2 MA13 SP8 Move4 Jump3 Br70 Fa70 - White (Infinite)

And here we go

Tick 10
Terenas (100CT - AT)
Tsuki (90CT)
Wepaw (80CT)
Asmodea (80CT)
Lachesis (70CT)
Atropos (70CT)
Munsia (70CT)
Clotho (70CT)