It is worth noting that Daevos can drop me to critical wounds from no wounds in a single assault if he hits an area where I'm not stanced. He can give heavy wounds from no wounds in normal swing.

While your ideas of how wounding should work are relatively logical, they are nothing like that in practice.

Yes. If I know you're not going to lash and toad me. Of course, I'm running around at 3620 health without trans magic But getting moonbursted by nearly anyone who uses it hurts if I'm not surged.

I'm going to virtual bitchslap you:

You are a Faeling Ebonguard with CROW. If you had bothered to read what I wrote, which was addressed to Terenas not you, you would have seen that I noted Crow as being the only true exception to the rule that warriors do in fact have good magic resistance.

Furthermore, let's just analyze this a bit closer since you brought it up:

- What's your max mana?
- What's your health/mana surged?
- What level are you?
- Do you have Trans Magic?

Ur'guard don't have good defense against magic either. Draconis and Resistance barely give any noticeable defense. Not to mention warriors that take up tracking, they also have no resistance.

And who surges against a magic user? Thats just asking to be instantkilled in two hits.

Yay for a virtual bitchslap. I believe I already answered the magic part. Max mana = max health (same int as con). So that makes... 1810 mana and 5430 health surged, at level 83. Ooo, I'm an Orclach.

So, if I'm surged, I'm pretty fair game for a lash attempt. If I don't, you can't lash me, but you can just out moonburst my sip (which would be reduced a LOT with trans magic. Yes, I understand this, I was just commenting that I personally do need surge against it).

We need a "misleading" smilie.

1800/5412 x 100% = 33.3%

You do realize that you do like 55-60% of Munsia's max health in a sweep, right? She's trans resilience (whereas you are not trans magic) with a charm that is 100% cutting (so that's 20% damage reduction of cutting damage). Whereas you have the potential to decrease the damage by a magic proof and trans magic, she's stuck at the 55-60% max health in a single attack.

Sneaky, sneaky!

Huh? You don't surge against mages? Every warrior I fight surges against me.

I was unaware that mages uses magic attacks, I thought it was all ice or poision or whatever.

It all adds up:

Resistance is 5%.

Draconis is around ~5-10%.

Magic proof (on a cloak or coat) is 10%

Trans Magic is like 15% (although I've heard its higher not sure):

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This puts us in a 35-40% reduction range. Now, let's go back and apply that to Icarus who was taking 1600 out of 5412 health.

1600 * 0.35 = 560

1600 - 560 = 1040

1040/5412 = 19.2%

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That's god awful. Sparkleberry heals 10% max health, mana, ego. Health potion is over 15% (not sure on the exact formula).

Trackers have no resistance of any kind.

Oh and the reason I don't surge against a guardian is not because I can tank the damage, but rather I only have 1700 mana when surged. Still, unsurge with 5.4k health is not going to last me very long against a Mugwump moonbursting me for 1800 every 2.5 seconds.

And why is this turning into another 'warriors do too much damage' thread?

Sorry bud, that's not possible. About the fastest you can currently pull on a moonburst is right at 3 seconds. No more 2-2.5 second moonbursts.

Furthermore, you seem to be intentionally ignoring the fact that you are complaining about 33% of your max health when you have the potential to reduce it, but have nothing to add in when you are dealing 55-60% of other people's max health.

You said, "And who surges against a magic user? Thats just asking to be instantkilled in two hits. "

Magic user includes mages, guardians, wiccans, and druids. The source of staff attacks and blast is magic, even if the resistance it is checked against is fire, ice, etc. That makes mages magic users.

And don't forget Druid damage is all cutting/blunt.

What warrior gets a magic proofed cloak?

Can you even get a cloak proofed against magic? I thought it was only fire and frost.


And geb, stop being so nitpicky, we are talking about magic damage source here, not lightning or ice, or poision of bludgeon or any of those other fancy things that have tons of variable resiliences all over the place.

Guardians and Wiccans are better at protecting against magic than warriors are, and warriors are better at protecting against physical attacks than guardians and wiccans are.

Okay every 3 second then, still faster than my 4 second swing.

I am not trying to mislead or compare with anyone. I am not even asking for anything to be changed. Just stating the damage I take from various people, that I take more from a moonburst from Diamante than two lunges from his divine made swords, which is fair, since he was a mugwump at the time and I have a weakness to magic.

As for taking 33% instead of 60%, it has more to do with race rather than a warrior vs non-warrior thing. Being a taurian, having a magical weakness, means I take more from say Moonburst, but I am compensated with a high con. Munsia being a furrikin, on the other hand, takes what 500 from a moonburst? Yet she takes a whole lot more from physical damage, and a higher % of her total health too because of a low con. In return she gets faster eq, balance, herb higher int etc.

Now if Munsia were to become a Taurian (not trying to be funny here), she would take much less (and a lower % of total health)from a warrior because of the cutting resistance and high con, but she would take more from moonburst and be more susceptible to lash/admissio/succumb etc.

While that may be true to a limited extent, I'm not sure that is quite equal. And... where do mages and druids fit in?

Edit: Icarus, don't all the races best suited for magic classes (high int/eq bonuses) have relatively low con?

Who knows where mages and druids fit in, their demense is compeltley unlike anything else.

Heh, it is nitpicky when you are corrected? Still funny, since you still do not understand the difference between source of damage and damage type.

Resistances do not protect against the source of the damage, only the damage type, so why are you talking about source of damage? And how was I corrected, your talking about two completely different things. I'm sorry you that you translaged "Magic user" as anyone who uses magic (which would include warriros since we can all attack dreamweavers using a magic based attack) and not people who use magic damage attacks.

Even warriors are "magic users" in the way you mean.

Right on!

Just like all races suitable for warriors have relatively higher con and str but lower int (mugwump and faeling are exceptions). If I become a furrikin warrior and Munsia becomes a taurian and we have a spar, what would happen? I probably wont do enough damage against her high con/resistance and rolling away every 2 seconds, and with only 10 int she might not have enough mana to do whatever that she does in a spar.

So it is not accurate to just say 'you do 60% of my health in one swing while I only moonburst/staff you for 33%', because along with that 33% there are passive attacks from faes/demon/demesne.

An example would be me against Eiru. I do over 50% of his health, or so he says, every sweep. Yet, he beats me 90% of the time (100% when he was a nihilist with Grim Horror). How? I am always hindered from making too consecutive attacks (I suck I know) and eventually my mana runs out or I get locked or whatever and I die.