Sylphas2005-12-20 10:34:16
Tallowisp deck is crap. Elf deck is fun, but can't race Dia's super accel Snakes most of the time.
He beat Deadguy Ale with a Phage combo deck, barely beating the clock on his own deck.
Also beat a mana-screwed Stasis deck with burn. Just tweaked it, much more reliable, I think I have a good chance with it now. Second turn Boomerangstick is bad news for your opponents land, and can easily lock with Stasis.
Yes, we were being silly and playing Legacy.
He beat Deadguy Ale with a Phage combo deck, barely beating the clock on his own deck.
Also beat a mana-screwed Stasis deck with burn. Just tweaked it, much more reliable, I think I have a good chance with it now. Second turn Boomerangstick is bad news for your opponents land, and can easily lock with Stasis.
Yes, we were being silly and playing Legacy.
Shiri2005-12-22 14:55:02
Just finished a fun game with Sylphas and Laneth...Sylphas and I both went into GWB (that'll teach you to pick my colours, fool) only he had glare and I didn't, so he almost beat on me but Laneth helped me with some vigilant boros creatures and an oathsworn giant.
And then Laneth played a razia's purification, freaked everyone out, Sylphas didn't keep the fetters he had on my evangel and guardian of vitu-ghazi so when we pounded him into submission I could continue to nail Laneth for the win.
Elaria was going to play as well, but I think she didn't realise that you can't just draft rares and run for the money when you're doing it with proxies. I will have to remind her of that later.
And then Laneth played a razia's purification, freaked everyone out, Sylphas didn't keep the fetters he had on my evangel and guardian of vitu-ghazi so when we pounded him into submission I could continue to nail Laneth for the win.
Elaria was going to play as well, but I think she didn't realise that you can't just draft rares and run for the money when you're doing it with proxies. I will have to remind her of that later.
Unknown2005-12-22 15:05:06
I'm slowly catching on to these new cards and things, getting back into the swing of things. Give me a few more games and I'll be mediocre again .
Shiri2005-12-22 15:08:09
QUOTE(Quidgyboo @ Dec 22 2005, 03:05 PM)
I'm slowly catching on to these new cards and things, getting back into the swing of things. Give me a few more games and I'll be mediocre again .
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You did fine, the razia's was a good play I think. You should have fired galvanic arc on the skysweeper rather than me though, I think, since you -knew- Sylphas was playing glare and closing on the four lands he needed to play it after the early mana screw you two were having.
And I doubt I'll be drafting gravetroll again, after two retarded failed attempts at casting him (somehow Laneth fluked out and diverted my stone-seeder hierophants land untap on my fourth land for the fifth mana TWICE CONSECUTIVELY) he would have only ended up at 5/5, and that's AFTER a board wiper. I was considering playing him with none in my graveyard and then dredging more in but I hadn't been playing golgari reliably enough to risk throwing useful crap into my graveyard, especially when I knew Sylphas had glare and was liable to lock down all my damn creatures.
Sylphas2005-12-22 15:42:41
Glare of Subdual. Such a bomb.
Shiri2005-12-22 15:49:46
I thought my pollenbright wings would pwn too, but I never drew them.
Unknown2005-12-22 21:58:03
QUOTE(Shiri @ Dec 23 2005, 02:08 AM)
You should have fired galvanic arc on the skysweeper rather than me though, I think, since you -knew- Sylphas was playing glare and closing on the four lands he needed to play it after the early mana screw you two were having.
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Yeah I realised that after I did it. It's harder to keep track of what is in play and such just writing notes (I'm a very visual person, as it is), so I'll screw up like that a few times until I get it all in my head.
Shiri2005-12-23 12:01:18
Bah, despite taking both mindleech mass and Circu, Dimir Lobotomist, and actually playing both (the latter later than I would have liked), Diamante pulled master warcraft and killed me after Sylphas' galvanic arc and an early moldervine cloaked courier hawk took me down to 7.
Woulda won too.
Both of them played GW, unsurprisingly. (Sealed.)
Woulda won too.
Both of them played GW, unsurprisingly. (Sealed.)
Sylphas2005-12-23 12:05:21
I'd have chumped your mass with everything to kill it, and Diamante would have killed you and I.
Shiri2005-12-23 12:07:47
QUOTE(Sylphas @ Dec 23 2005, 12:05 PM)
I'd have chumped your mass with everything to kill it, and Diamante would have killed you and I.
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You didn't have enough power on the table, I checked. It added up to 5.
And if you had that autochthon wurm I'd have had that for Dia.
Rauros2005-12-23 20:03:29
I wanna play...
Shiri2005-12-27 07:51:30
I need advice. I'm still undecided.
Given that I'll be playing MTGO in budget mode only pretty much, do I want to start with the Golgari starter, or the Selesnya starter? I plan to play both block and T2 with it, so it should probably last a while.
Problems:
1. Orzhov seems to not react at all with Selesnya, but it seems to react -negatively- with dredge (although I don't know if the wording I've seen is confirmed - if haunt activates on placing in graveyard from -anywhere- it will kick ass with dredge, I guess.) And I like the sound of Orzhov a lot. (My main colour is green, but I play both black and white both on their own and with green as well.)
2. Dredge seems better in T2 because of the existence of WOG and so forth in T2 - block doesn't seem to pan out that way.
3. I like aggro-control if I can help it. Combo is boring, aggro tends to end games too fast for me (that's why I play limited, games last longer, more fun.) Control is okay too though.
4. I can't work out how dredge interacts with a mill kill. If you get the option to dredge, but can't because your library is empty, does the dredge fail and then you draw (failing and dying in the process) or do you just skip it and go onto the main phase?
5. The friend that's getting me into MTGO plays Dimir so if he pulls any cheap black common stuff in limited that works better in a Golgari deck he can probably pass it over to me.
6. Convoke is just generally cooler than dredge.
7. I'm on a budget - I'm told Selesnya commons are better than Golgari commons as a general rule. This is important because getting all the chase rares like necroplasm and crap is likely to be out of my reach.
Opinions?
Given that I'll be playing MTGO in budget mode only pretty much, do I want to start with the Golgari starter, or the Selesnya starter? I plan to play both block and T2 with it, so it should probably last a while.
Problems:
1. Orzhov seems to not react at all with Selesnya, but it seems to react -negatively- with dredge (although I don't know if the wording I've seen is confirmed - if haunt activates on placing in graveyard from -anywhere- it will kick ass with dredge, I guess.) And I like the sound of Orzhov a lot. (My main colour is green, but I play both black and white both on their own and with green as well.)
2. Dredge seems better in T2 because of the existence of WOG and so forth in T2 - block doesn't seem to pan out that way.
3. I like aggro-control if I can help it. Combo is boring, aggro tends to end games too fast for me (that's why I play limited, games last longer, more fun.) Control is okay too though.
4. I can't work out how dredge interacts with a mill kill. If you get the option to dredge, but can't because your library is empty, does the dredge fail and then you draw (failing and dying in the process) or do you just skip it and go onto the main phase?
5. The friend that's getting me into MTGO plays Dimir so if he pulls any cheap black common stuff in limited that works better in a Golgari deck he can probably pass it over to me.
6. Convoke is just generally cooler than dredge.
7. I'm on a budget - I'm told Selesnya commons are better than Golgari commons as a general rule. This is important because getting all the chase rares like necroplasm and crap is likely to be out of my reach.
Opinions?
Sylphas2005-12-27 10:58:04
Dredge replaces your draw with milling and putting a card into your hand. You must have enough cards in your library, or you cannot Dredge.
Play both. GBW is fun to play, and with green, splashing a third color is easy. You'll have Farseek and Civic Wayfinder to fix your mana, and it'll be easy to pick up Llanowar Elves and Sakura Tribe Elder, since they're both common, even if you don't play 9th or Kamigawa.
As far as which to start with, I'd say Golgari. Precon has two Putrefy, and it's a very nice card. Selesnya doesn't have anything that really stands out. Tolsimir is nice, but he's a 6cc legend, so his utility isn't nearly the level of Putrefy, or even Savra, who's 4cc. Scion of the Wild is great, but unless you're heavy into tokens, he's usually not too big.
Play both. GBW is fun to play, and with green, splashing a third color is easy. You'll have Farseek and Civic Wayfinder to fix your mana, and it'll be easy to pick up Llanowar Elves and Sakura Tribe Elder, since they're both common, even if you don't play 9th or Kamigawa.
As far as which to start with, I'd say Golgari. Precon has two Putrefy, and it's a very nice card. Selesnya doesn't have anything that really stands out. Tolsimir is nice, but he's a 6cc legend, so his utility isn't nearly the level of Putrefy, or even Savra, who's 4cc. Scion of the Wild is great, but unless you're heavy into tokens, he's usually not too big.
Shiri2005-12-27 12:02:00
QUOTE(Sylphas @ Dec 27 2005, 10:58 AM)
Dredge replaces your draw with milling and putting a card into your hand. You must have enough cards in your library, or you cannot Dredge.
Play both. GBW is fun to play, and with green, splashing a third color is easy. You'll have Farseek and Civic Wayfinder to fix your mana, and it'll be easy to pick up Llanowar Elves and Sakura Tribe Elder, since they're both common, even if you don't play 9th or Kamigawa.
As far as which to start with, I'd say Golgari. Precon has two Putrefy, and it's a very nice card. Selesnya doesn't have anything that really stands out. Tolsimir is nice, but he's a 6cc legend, so his utility isn't nearly the level of Putrefy, or even Savra, who's 4cc. Scion of the Wild is great, but unless you're heavy into tokens, he's usually not too big.
Play both. GBW is fun to play, and with green, splashing a third color is easy. You'll have Farseek and Civic Wayfinder to fix your mana, and it'll be easy to pick up Llanowar Elves and Sakura Tribe Elder, since they're both common, even if you don't play 9th or Kamigawa.
As far as which to start with, I'd say Golgari. Precon has two Putrefy, and it's a very nice card. Selesnya doesn't have anything that really stands out. Tolsimir is nice, but he's a 6cc legend, so his utility isn't nearly the level of Putrefy, or even Savra, who's 4cc. Scion of the Wild is great, but unless you're heavy into tokens, he's usually not too big.
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Guess I could try GBW, but thanks for the advice on what to start with.
I just played a couple highlander games over Apprentice with Rauros - won two with white weenie, won another with golgari (I got an awesome start with birds, wayfinder and fists leading into drooling groodion), then lost one with golgari. (A huge epic battle ended by Rauros realising he had a conclave equenaut and I had no flyers. And his trophy hunter nerfed my vulturous zombie.)
Sylphas2005-12-27 15:13:08
You don't really need to be in GBW, just realise that you're not stuck with whatever you choose. Green has a lot of options for splashing what you want/have.
Shiri2005-12-27 15:21:01
Stupid post failure.
Yeah, I meant I'd start in Golgari and then work into Selesnya/Gruul/Orzhov/Simic when they come out later on.
Yeah, I meant I'd start in Golgari and then work into Selesnya/Gruul/Orzhov/Simic when they come out later on.
Unknown2005-12-27 17:21:45
I play two decks for T2; Dredge and Auratouched Mage (the latter just being a really fun casual deck).
I'd suggest Dredge under normal circumstances instantly, but it does require a lot of rares. Life From the Loam is a MUST in any deck that uses Dredge, and you need 2-3 of those.
The Golgari deck I run is based on using Svogthos/Grave-Troll beatdown after I blow up a Boiler.
I'd suggest Dredge under normal circumstances instantly, but it does require a lot of rares. Life From the Loam is a MUST in any deck that uses Dredge, and you need 2-3 of those.
The Golgari deck I run is based on using Svogthos/Grave-Troll beatdown after I blow up a Boiler.
Roark2005-12-27 17:58:42
No one can defeat my own creation: the Annoying Deck. For years it has wrought devestation on my foes! With no creatures, it is made to turn your cards against you if you play anything (like upkeep costs and so forth), or kill you slowly if you do nothing. Muhahaha!!! (I've been playing the same decks since high school...)
Shiri2005-12-28 00:54:30
QUOTE(roark @ Dec 27 2005, 05:58 PM)
No one can defeat my own creation: the Annoying Deck. For years it has wrought devestation on my foes! With no creatures, it is made to turn your cards against you if you play anything (like upkeep costs and so forth), or kill you slowly if you do nothing. Muhahaha!!! (I've been playing the same decks since high school...)
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So essentially you're playing a really old T1 stasis deck or something?
And yeah, Salvation, that's what I was worried about. I ran through apprentice with a T2 ravnica thing looking only for commons, and went for Golgari, and...couldn't find much... By comparison, Selesnya has a lot more than that.
Sylphas2005-12-28 06:01:51
Golgari seriously doesn't need Dredge. And LftL isn't really used in standard, since the cycling lands aren't legal. At common, they have Rotwurm, Last Gasp, Disembowel, Elves of Deep Shadow, Farseek, Civic Wayfinder, Llanowar Elves, Greater Mossdog, Golgari Brownscale, Siege Wurm... all sorts of decent stuff.