If you're so concerned with RP, then think on this: why would anyone but Magnagora want to influence the undead? Celest and Serenwilde consider them abhorrent, abominations of the light and nature, and I'm pretty sure that Viravain hates 'em.

Quite. Oh, and if you really want to be unenemied to Moon, get unenemied to Serenwilde and influence the Avatars. It's not like letting the Baron be influencable will change the whole world and will make Serenwilde unstoppable.

And the reverse applies to Seren getting unenemied to Faethorn/Night. Why are you so defensive over this?

Oooh, I guess it is a bit of a problem if you're just trying to get unenemied to the village. Just borrow a cloak of crow for that, and then make up for it by sticking the cloak in the Mother Tree after getting unenemied.

I'm getting tired of people demanding that everything change to be easier for them and to fit their RP. Its so sad and annoying.

If its so minor then why do you care if your enemied to the village or not?


Just suck it up and ask a member of the blacktalon for a Crow cloak, and solve your problems.

That's a little hard when you're an enemy and have been an enemy since before the commune even returned. It is minor but it still inhibits us - and everyone else who is enemied so you don't jump down my throat - when we try to influence. We are not demanding change, we're simply asking. I also fail to see what is so wrong about asking for something so it fits our RP. Just calm down.

I'm unsure how you can state things about Glomdoring having the ability to 'market' thier cloaks and it's our fault for not being diplomatic but you realize this means that Glomdoring can influence every village they are unenemied to. And heh Magnagora can influence every village they are unenemied to. Plus the ghosts of paavik are just dumb. Who puts a ghost as a leader..

Um, didn't Rowena start selling potions for this exact reason?

I don't think Shorlen was asking for a way to influence undead generally, just the particular case of undead leaders.

Edit: Well, maybe not exact... Serenwilde potions aren't infused with nature-based taint curative properties. There's no reason a Magnagoran should feel a potion conflicts with their ideology.

The same is not true for wearing a crow cloak. Oh well, it wasn't the best analogy.

If you're absolutely ideologically opposed to funding any possible use of the crow cloak, ever, by anyone, including people you hire to do diplomacy for you, don't raid Paavik. End of problem.

I can't believe your all trying to defend this.

The more I read these forums I'm more convinced they should get rid of cities and just make four Serenwile factions. Its apparently what the player base wants.

Feeling a tad bitter, Daganev?

Because Glomdoring's already "losing", so they shouldn't lose their EXISTING unfair advantages so they get a better chance at "winning!"

That's the vibe I'm getting anyway.

Is it just me or is Daganev ignoring what everyone else is saying again?

I never said we should be able to influence the undead. I said it's dumb that we can't get unenemied to Paavik, a village that honestly has NOTHING TO DO with the undead. Yes, there happens to be a haunted mansion in the village, where the ghosts of their FORMER LEADERS reside, a mansion that creeps out the living villages so they never go there. So, why are these ghosts (which can be BANISHED FOR OVER A WEEK and the banishing can be done again the moment it ends) the technical leaders of the village for game mechanics purposes? It's just dumb. Half the game can't get unenemied there, and the village leaders are banished over 90% of the time. It makes no sense for them to be the village leaders, in any way.


Giving us an influencable village leader for unenemying purposes helps Celest and Serenwilde a bit, but DOES NOT HURT GLOMDORING OR MAGNAGORA IN ANY WAY. Making the Baron influencable by everyone FOR AMNESTY/PARLY ONLY helps Celest and Serenwilde a bit, but DOES NOT HURT GLOMDORING OR MAGNAGORA IN ANY WAY.

*grumble* Why do you have to be so antagonistic and unpleasent, Daganev? It's just a freaking game, get over it.

Ok, so. There should be a current leader, or at least someone posing for it, that you can influence and get unenemied from.
IDEA it? BUG it? Put it into envoy reports? Poke some god? Email it to support or estarra?

I am bitter becuase anytime I try to adapt to the game someone comes along on the forums and says "CHANGE THINGS!" and I'm tired of the trend continuing, so I'm speaking up against it.

I'm getting tired of playing a game with people who constantly want the rules changed to fit how they see the game, and not how the game designers see the game.

Nobody asks if something was intentional or not, they just assume it must be a mistake because its hard for them.

Its -NOT- impossible for you to be unnemied. Ask someone who has a cloak, or someone who have Necromancy to use that lovely Trans influence skill for you. Its there for a bloody reason.

Its bloody sickening how little respect players show to Estarra's concepts and designs.

Oh? Says who? We have spirits and ghosts in Serenwilde. There is a difference.

The krokani ghost is not the same thing as a garwight.

We're not showing respect by abiding by the concepts and designs that put organizations in conflict and opposition to others? We should ignore those concepts and designs and be friendly with those that we have hard coded reasons to work against?

Ok first of all.. Estarra... is a person.. *GASP*.. did you hear me? a person... not... a Goddess.. *faint* I can't believe it.. can it be true?

Second of all... being a person.. means that Estarra, or rather.. the person behind Estarra is fallible... *gape* OMG No! I cannot bear to hear the truth!

Now what is sickening is someone who believes they are always right simply because... they say so. Have you met Verithrax? You two should talk a bit.. I imagine you would find alot in common.

While the designers of Lusternia have done a wonderful job, it is up to us as players to point out things that are not working as intended. This is why they ask for bug reports, envoy reports, typo reports, general game mechanic reports... Why is this? Because while the main concept may be a great thing, the mechanic may not.

BLASPHEMY! So your telling me all that work i put into making the Shrine to Estarra, was for nothing?! All those innocent little animals i slaughtered and offered all to waste! LIAR!

Just because we don't agree with you doesn't mean we're automatically wrong, Daganev. As others have said, ignoring the Glomdoring-Serenwilde conflict that is CODED INTO THE GAME (just ask Crow if you don't remember) just to get unenemied from somewhere, or ignoring the fact that no Serenwilder would wear an instrument of Crow, their mortal enemy - doing THOSE things is ignoring "Estarra's concepts and designs" in my eyes.


The point is, it makes no sense to me that the village should have an undead leader in the first place - can you please explain to me how it makes sense in your interpertation of "Estarra's concepts and designs?"