Elgar2005-11-30 20:44:29
QUOTE(Dyr @ Nov 30 2005, 10:21 PM)
You dont know the least bit about the God, do you?
What part of NO VIOLENCE works with worldburn?
What part of NO VIOLENCE works with worldburn?
230509
You know Dyr, It's not because the god is not violent that his order members aren't.
Unknown2005-11-30 20:49:26
QUOTE(Elgar @ Nov 30 2005, 04:44 PM)
You know Dyr, It's not because the god is not violent that his order members aren't.
230516
Its not that he isn't violent. Its that he is OPPOSED TO VIOLENCE.
In his teachings:
Violence.Is.Bad.(if it is not saving the world from the soulless)
Now, his OH is just gunna go and decide that her whole former city are soulless gods threatening to destroy the world?
Kaileigh2005-11-30 21:18:47
Oh Honey.. I know what she supposedly went through the same stuff as me. Yeah I guess that people do have cracking points.
It can just add to a roleply that Taint is made up of a few believers (ie Daevos and company) and all the stragglers and weaklings that are running from that past lives.
Did she mention leaving in aim? No
Did she talk about how easy it would be to leave all her friends to become a god? yes.
Has she talked to me since? No.
Psh whatever. I'll go now.
It can just add to a roleply that Taint is made up of a few believers (ie Daevos and company) and all the stragglers and weaklings that are running from that past lives.
Did she mention leaving in aim? No
Did she talk about how easy it would be to leave all her friends to become a god? yes.
Has she talked to me since? No.
Psh whatever. I'll go now.
Shayle2005-11-30 21:25:23
QUOTE(Kaileigh @ Nov 30 2005, 04:18 PM)
Oh Honey.. I know what she supposedly went through the same stuff as me. Yeah I guess that people do have cracking points.
It can just add to a roleply that Taint is made up of a few believers (ie Daevos and company) and all the stragglers and weaklings that are running from that past lives.
Did she mention leaving in aim? No
Did she talk about how easy it would be to leave all her friends to become a go? yes.
Has she talked to me since? No.
Psh whatever. I'll go now.
It can just add to a roleply that Taint is made up of a few believers (ie Daevos and company) and all the stragglers and weaklings that are running from that past lives.
Did she mention leaving in aim? No
Did she talk about how easy it would be to leave all her friends to become a go? yes.
Has she talked to me since? No.
Psh whatever. I'll go now.
230534
*sigh* that's lame
I'd be hurt too.
Kaileigh2005-11-30 21:27:24
doh mis post
Elgar2005-11-30 21:33:38
QUOTE(Dyr @ Nov 30 2005, 10:49 PM)
Its not that he isn't violent. Its that he is OPPOSED TO VIOLENCE.
In his teachings:
Violence.Is.Bad.(if it is not saving the world from the soulless)
Now, his OH is just gunna go and decide that her whole former city are soulless gods threatening to destroy the world?
In his teachings:
Violence.Is.Bad.(if it is not saving the world from the soulless)
Now, his OH is just gunna go and decide that her whole former city are soulless gods threatening to destroy the world?
230521
The god and the order are two seperate things. The order can worldburn (the god accually can't I think) and that gives a problem because it's a skill controlled by mortals. The only way to make sure a mortal in that order doesn't use worldburn is to make sure the shrine isn't there. It has nothing to do with the god. Plus as it was mentioned it's not a god aligned to Celest so why place it in Celest claimed territory. I somehow think Serenwilde would complain if we placed a Hajamin shrine in Ethereal serenwilde.
and killing starsuckers is violence against those poor serpent creatures!
Ashteru2005-11-30 21:40:15
QUOTE(Elgar @ Nov 30 2005, 09:33 PM)
The god and the order are two seperate things. The order can worldburn (the god accually can't I think) and that gives a problem because it's a skill controlled by mortals. The only way to make sure a mortal in that order doesn't use worldburn is to make sure the shrine isn't there. It has nothing to do with the god. Plus as it was mentioned it's not a god aligned to Celest so why place it in Celest claimed territory. I somehow think Serenwilde would complain if we placed a Hajamin shrine in Ethereal serenwilde.
and killing starsuckers is violence against those poor serpent creatures!Â
and killing starsuckers is violence against those poor serpent creatures!Â
230539
They already said it...
Order Member uses worldburn ---> Order Member is kicked out and no Order Member anymore.
Shayle2005-11-30 21:41:20
QUOTE(Elgar @ Nov 30 2005, 04:33 PM)
The god and the order are two seperate things. The order can worldburn (the god accually can't I think) and that gives a problem because it's a skill controlled by mortals. The only way to make sure a mortal in that order doesn't use worldburn is to make sure the shrine isn't there. It has nothing to do with the god. Plus as it was mentioned it's not a god aligned to Celest so why place it in Celest claimed territory. I somehow think Serenwilde would complain if we placed a Hajamin shrine in Ethereal serenwilde.
and killing starsuckers is violence against those poor serpent creatures!Â
and killing starsuckers is violence against those poor serpent creatures!Â
230539
Actually it's the god who determines who has the ability to Worldburn in the first place...and that ability can be withheld entirely if they choose, I believe.
Elgar2005-11-30 21:41:54
QUOTE(Ashteru @ Nov 30 2005, 11:40 PM)
They already said it...
Order Member uses worldburn ---> Order Member is kicked out and no Order Member anymore.
Order Member uses worldburn ---> Order Member is kicked out and no Order Member anymore.
230542
Still wouldn't change the fact the order member used it. Plus really why would they need a shrine there, they could of placed it in Faethorn. Where it didn't form a security risk.
Unknown2005-11-30 21:42:22
QUOTE(Elgar @ Nov 30 2005, 11:33 PM)
The god and the order are two seperate things. The order can worldburn (the god accually can't I think) and that gives a problem because it's a skill controlled by mortals. The only way to make sure a mortal in that order doesn't use worldburn is to make sure the shrine isn't there. It has nothing to do with the god. Plus as it was mentioned it's not a god aligned to Celest so why place it in Celest claimed territory. I somehow think Serenwilde would complain if we placed a Hajamin shrine in Ethereal serenwilde.
and killing starsuckers is violence against those poor serpent creatures!Â
and killing starsuckers is violence against those poor serpent creatures!Â
230539
Members in My order do not get Worldburn. What kind of a peace god would I be if I gave members of My order the ability to worldburn? Shrines of Elcyrion form no security risk whatsoever, as members of the order are incapable of using aggressive order abilities.
Joli2005-11-30 21:47:00
I'm so dangerous. I can use shrinesight.
This thread is a beast, 3 pages in what? 8 hours?
This thread is a beast, 3 pages in what? 8 hours?
Shayle2005-11-30 21:50:51
Actually, I have a question. How do an Order of Peace and a Magnagoran citizen reconcile themselves?
Doesn't it seem a bit of a conflict of interest?
Doesn't it seem a bit of a conflict of interest?
Narsrim2005-11-30 21:53:05
QUOTE(Shayle @ Nov 30 2005, 05:50 PM)
Actually, I have a question. How do an Order of Peace and a Magnagoran citizen reconcile themselves?
Doesn't it seem a bit of a conflict of interest?
Doesn't it seem a bit of a conflict of interest?
230549
With an individual citizen, I'd say no; however, the city as a whole is definately not a "peaceful" city (which is good, peaceful cities are boring)... I wonder too.
Elgar2005-11-30 21:55:18
QUOTE(Elcyrion @ Nov 30 2005, 11:42 PM)
Members in My order do not get Worldburn. What kind of a peace god would I be if I gave members of My order the ability to worldburn? Shrines of Elcyrion form no security risk whatsoever, as members of the order are incapable of using aggressive order abilities.
230545
But I don't know that ingame, and my character isn't inclined on finding out any time soon. And that is why I'll keep trying to get the city to remove it.
Unknown2005-11-30 21:56:13
QUOTE(Shayle @ Nov 30 2005, 11:50 PM)
Actually, I have a question. How do an Order of Peace and a Magnagoran citizen reconcile themselves?
Doesn't it seem a bit of a conflict of interest?
Doesn't it seem a bit of a conflict of interest?
230549
No more then then my order and a member of celest.
(And I do not believe in generalisations, everyone is an individual and as such they are free to apply, patronage is another manner, but at this point there are no organisations that fully fit the description of "peaceful". If you're truly interested in these things, I suggest you seek out Elcyrion IC though.)
Narsrim2005-11-30 21:56:26
QUOTE(Elcyrion @ Nov 30 2005, 05:42 PM)
Members in My order do not get Worldburn. What kind of a peace god would I be if I gave members of My order the ability to worldburn? Shrines of Elcyrion form no security risk whatsoever, as members of the order are incapable of using aggressive order abilities.
230545
Sounds like a cover up to me.
Shayle2005-11-30 22:02:47
QUOTE(Elcyrion @ Nov 30 2005, 04:56 PM)
(And I do not believe in generalisations, everyone is an individual and as such they are free to apply, patronage is another manner, but at this point there are no organisations that fully fit the description of "peaceful". If you're truly interested in these things, I suggest you seek out Elcyrion IC though.)
230552
I've tried!!
Kaileigh2005-11-30 22:18:24
Elcyrion is mean *weep*
Joli2005-11-30 22:25:48
He's nice to me. (cept when he calls me Ialie. )
Aiakon2005-11-30 22:34:56
QUOTE(Kaileigh @ Nov 30 2005, 10:18 PM)
It can just add to a roleply that Taint is made up of a few believers (ie Daevos and company) and all the stragglers and weaklings that are running from that past lives.
230534
Rubbish.
Roleplaying being Tainted doesn't necessarily mean: attacking everything in sight, it doesn't necessarily mean spreading the taint as much as possible, it doesn't mean being as deformed in mind as you are in body. Indeed, the realisation of that releases the 'tainted' believer from mundane, transitory, material things, to a higher appreciation of life.
Many come to the Taint simply because they finally realise that it IS a better way. "Taint" is an unfortunate label that does not accurately portray the advantages and strengths of our way of life, but immediately condemns us by perjorative association. Aiakon prefers to call it Kethuru's Blessing.
Long may the 'stragglers and weaklings' continue to run to our stronghold of harmonious life, and mutual cooperation. There is nothing about Taint that absolutely decrees against affectionate behaviour or pacificism.