Hmm. You bring up a lot of interesting and controversial points. Instead of doing my biochem hw, I'm going to reply!



I live in the state of WV, the so-called "buckle" of the "Bible Belt." I feel your pain. My hometown would be more likely to lobby against a Synagogue than the KKK.



First, I think you are victim to the morality of the society your live in far more than you know. Why is smoking pot "bad"? Furthermore, I don't think people "magically forget." I'm sure you would agree that lying is "bad." Do you magically forget that when you lie?

I find it far fetched that you never lie or decieve people. I'm sure you value honesty (who doesn't?) and I'm sure you have heard that lying is bad (a moral). Do you thus have a moral value on lying? If so, you wouldn't ever be able to lie - and everyone does.



Morals do stem from common norms. For example, I think it is pretty obvious (if you grew up in places like Joli and I did) that being gay is "bad." It is a biblical sin and something "wrong." Does this mean because I am gay that I therefore am immoral?

That's a tricky question to answer. It could be manipulated to make just about everyone immoral.

In defense of smoking pot, usually people who have smoked pot are happy, peaceful, smile a lot and don't cause problem, and thus are less prone to do something bad (like hitting another person in the face because they looked at them wrong) than for example an angry person. Also, they laugh a lot so increase the happiness of those around them

Just look at me

Smoking pot makes me hallucinate, and it put a friend of mine - a heavy pot smoker I might add into an asylum for 3 months. I'm not quite so pro it. At least Cigarettes don't mess with your mind...

He flung me half across the realm yesterday for my 'being blown away' comment.

There have been people who have died aftering coming into contact with peanuts. Quite simply, adverse drug reactions can happen with nearly anything and shouldn't be used as a standard.

In general, pot does not cause hallucinations anymore than cigarettes.

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It also might be worth adding in that a lot of people lace pot with LSD... which could explain the hallucinations...

Everybody reacts differently. I've seen people allucinating with pot, usually mixed with alcohol, and a lot of chat about self induced allucinogen states and pink elephants.

Of course, I've also seen some of my friends get drunk with coke. Pure and unalcoholed just fresh of the supermaket can coke. Mind over the body!

Personally, the only thing that LSD causes for me it's wider pupils and silly attacks of laugh. Continuous attacks of laugh, now that I think of it. Not worth the damage to my liver.

You stated that the last time you heard good and evil is not recognized in Buddhism. That statement is incorrect, because they do recognize good and evil. Just because a belief system does not believe anything about hell and heaven, does not mean that the belief system does not recognize the difference between good and evil.

I think you guys have this idea that a person who recognizes good and evil believe that there also has to be some archetypes that represent these things. That is not the case. There does not have to be a heaven and hell to understand that some actions, concepts, etc are evil in nature by the way that they effect people and some actions, concepts, etc are good. So to counter your argument, a good value performed by an evil person does not then make the act evil. Even people whom normally only push their own agenda regardless of how that agenda effects others can still end up performing good acts if it suits their purpose.

Speaking totally as a health professional and what I have seen so far. Many people who smoke pot have mental disorders, and many people who have mental disorders smoke pot.


People with mental disorders will self medicate with pot, cocaine, and other things because the antipsychotic (Mostly talking about your schizophrenic people) are so yucky. With nasty side effects that really don't produce that feel good feeling (at first) that street drugs do.


The behaviours of someone when they are high are completely individual. You may not hit someone in the face, you may feel peaceful, but believe me there are some pretty mean "high" people out there.

I wish I could burn my school sometimes, because of crap like that. I had a gay friend who moved because of the way they treated him. It was horrible. Just because it was "wrong" he was tortured almost everyday and got a lot of threats.

I was one of those children that would get so guilty that I couldn't lie about anything. I usually ended up crying to my mom, admitting whatever horrible thing I had done. So yes, I rarely lie.

I was just using pot as an example, because it is one of the bigs things here. Most of my friends know that it is wrong to do it, but they think they'll look cool, so they do it anyway and -try- not to think about it.





I was wondering what you weirdos were talking about.



For all of you people talking about getting high. I have had to work close up with someone who was high at least half of the time.. and that is not fun. Not fun at all. He was talking about killing people, giggling insanely, and waving his knife around. (Not to mention I had to do almost all of his work.) I was scared. Not all pot smokers are happy smiley people. It's like how people act different when they are drunk.. some are mean drunks and some are those weird ones that get very very deep.. (Like me. )


And now I'm late for school. I hope you are all pleased.

I think, in general, cannabis is not bad -morally-. Most people to find it bad, or wrong, through the impact it has on ones health. Same as the recent trend of late to focus of cigarettes, and alcohol. I imagine soon enough the same stigma will be attached to both of these.

And a lot of people don't 'forget' as such, but they ignore it, which makes it worse, in a way...

Viscanti are NOT bunnies, EVER! That's the only thing that I disapprove of

Joli, welcome to Mag.

Right, but that's correlated data. Many people who have heart disease eat diets high in salt. Many people who eat diets high in salt have heart disease... but that doesn't mean salt causes heart disease. There is always a third consideration.

(in my example, it would be that the foods these people salt are the problems, which are primarily high fat, unhealth stuff)

The same could also be said for alcohol.

alchohol does cause a lot of a health problems.

I really like how you describe this. I follow a very similar belief system.

Right but in the context of the discussion, alcohol doesn't hold that "bad" stigma that pot does.

I'm not saying alcohol or pot are good for your body - they are not, but rather that alcohol is really not "better" yet is very much treated that way.

IMO alcohol is actually a lot worse. A LOT worse. SOOOOOOO many health problems caused by alcohol.

Pot is more a thing with a lot of indirect problems. Alcohol however.. when used in excess almost always leads to health problems, social problems, occupational problems. and so on and so on.


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One of these days, you need to run for President. Vote Ialie.

Yes because everyone would be a fan of prohibition.
If I were president I'd bring back the roman gladiators and put the lifers in there to duke it out. Give them whips and fun weapons to beat the tar out of each other. Then I'd televise it on Pay-per-view. So that putting people in jail for life and or giving people the death penalty actually put money into the budget.