Penelope nods her head at Elcyrion.

Seeker of the Dawn Kalodan Caelicus, Golden Faechild says, "Immortality is the
eternal existance of one's conciousness. At least, in the eyes of some. I hold
the belief Immortality simply means one is unaffected by the wears and trials of
time - at least, the negative aspects."

Elcyrion, the Erudite says, "Penelope."


Aerenna nods her head at Elcyrion.


Soll nods his head at Elcyrion.


Princess Penelope Whytetower, Lady of Shadows says, "I view true immortality not
as the act of living forever and seeing many great things over a period of time,
but what you do with the life you have the ability to be remembered for those
actions. I feel the truly immortal are remembered for ages and thus gain their
immortality."


Suzari nods his head at Elcyrion.


Elcyrion, the Erudite says, "Aerenna."


Nokraenom nods his head at Elcyrion.


Elcyrion, the Erudite says, "Please start formulating your words before you are
given the turn. Lest this stretch out too much."


Serenguard Aerenna says, "Based on Kalodan's words, an immortal being is
unaffected by the negative effects of time. Can we, those who passed through the
Portal of Fates, be considered immortal then? After all, we do not age unless we
chose to. Nor do we die from extreme age, only from swords and violence - but
even then there is a chance that we will come back."


Elcyrion, the Erudite says, "Suzari."


Soll nods his head at Elcyrion.


Sylleria nods her head at Elcyrion.


Mystical Suzari Lithara, Twilight's Sage says, "Those who will write their names
in history, leaving a legacy, perhaps of children, perhaps of tales, could be
called Immortal indeed, their presence has been felt and will be long remembered
afterwards, that is what it means to me to be Immortal, for I do not seek to
live forever, the mere thought of it scares me."


Elcyrion, the Erudite says, "Nokraenom."


Count Nokraenom d'Erlette says, "None are truly immortal, for it implies a sense
of being beyond time. Lady Estarra does not meet this criteria, because She has
changed over time in the forms of Dynara and Magnora. Nor do any of Her
creations. Rather, it would be far more appropriate to refer to the Gods and
other creations not susceptible to aging as "undying," recognizing that they may
still, of course, be slain outside their natural existence. Immortality implies
a connection to the infinite, which cannot be achieved by mortal nor God."


Elcyrion, the Erudite says, "A very interesting point indeed."


Elcyrion, the Erudite says, "Soll?"


Druid Soll, of the Hart says, "I believe that the closest Ones to immortal are
the Fates, and they have a direct correlation with time, as Kalodan earlier
mentioned. They seem to me to remain generally unaffected by the passing of
decades, with the exception that their knowledge is increased with each time
passing. I would also like to mention a response to his words, in that it would
seem all of us could classify as 'Immortal', in his sense, due to the lack of
aging we suffer from progressing time. Yet, at the same time, none could truly
be called Immortal, I feel. To be Immortal would be to be beyond the stretch of
time, and it is certain time will run forever. Until such a point that time
expires, we cannot know who lived the Immortal stretch of time."


Kalodan nods his head at Elcyrion.


Elcyrion, the Erudite says, "Sylleria."


Invid nods his head at Elcyrion.


Starstruck Sylleria says, "But what about the Fates, they seem to be beyond
time, concerned only with the maintaining of their tapestry, which is also
beyond time, stretching from the beginning of time, and will continue to grow
until time itself ends, will it not?"


Elcyrion, the Erudite says, "A most interesting and intelligent question. What
about those that are not part of the tapestry, like the Fates?"


Elcyrion, the Erudite says, "Kalodan?"


Seeker of the Dawn Kalodan Caelicus, Golden Faechild says, "In interesting point
Aerenna brings up - indeed, I must agree, the shard of the Divine that rests in
each of us, or in the case of me and my kin the Fae, we do not age, we will not
die of old age - perhaps the Portals of Fate magnify the shard of the divine
within us. As to what Nokraenom has brought up - I must disagree. All divine are
truely immortal - for they cannot die. Their essence will forever exist, if only
in another manner. As to Soll's point, I simply must agree. The most Immortal of
all beings that we have knowledge of would be Yudhe, and the Fates. As to the
Fates, I believe them only a manifestation of the Pattern itself, a form of
balance, to keep itself in check."


Nokraenom nods his head at Elcyrion.


Elcyrion, the Erudite says, "Invid?"


Soll nods his head at Elcyrion.


Ays Avyrl Lyreth, Invid Vryce, Druid of the Hart says, "With regards to the
Fates, I would not consider even them to be immortal; it is known that they came
into existance once creation began. The question in my mind, however, is this:
did time itself exist prior to that?"


Kalodan nods his head at Elcyrion.


Elcyrion, the Erudite says, "Nokraenom."


Count Nokraenom d'Erlette says, "The Fates do not fit the criteria for
Immortality, in my eyes, because they are widely accepted to have come into
existence at the moment of Creation. They did not exist prior to this, and it
can be presumed that their existence is a necessary outcome of the existence of
time itself, for they represent the primal forces of destiny: an aspect of time.
The infinite implies an existence beyond time, which the Fates are not beyond,
but rather an outcome of."


Elcyrion, the Erudite says, "A very interesting view indeed."


Elcyrion, the Erudite says, "Soll?"


Druid Soll, of the Hart says, "The point was brought up that the Immortal can
never die, but I do not feel enough detail was brought up, and there was no
question to delve further into the point in the hopes to establish a better
understanding. It is not known if the Immortal can die or not, but it may very
well be possible. None can be sure until such a time occurs as one does die.
Nokraenom brings an interesting point, and I would agree with it in depth. The
Fates are accepted to be representitives of time due to Their creation at the
blink of existance. Would time continue without the Fates' aid?"


Elcyrion nods His head sagely.


Elcyrion, the Erudite says, "Kalodan?"


Seeker of the Dawn Kalodan Caelicus, Golden Faechild says, "Time has always
existed, and has never existed. It's simply a mortal concept developed to
measure the length of the Tapestry. Nokraenom - prior to Creation, there was
nothing. The Fates exist where anything exists, and in the manner of existance.
As nothing existed, so did the Fates - as nothing. As Creation took shape, so
did the Fates. I believe they will be here long after the end of the Tapestry of
Fate, simply in another form, as another Tapestry unfolds. Would time continue
without the Fates' aid? I think an equal question would be if a garden would
continue to grow without a gardener. Would it be a garden anymore, or a weed
patch? The Tapestry would grow unchecked, but I imagine it would continue. And
what is Time but a measurement of the Tapestry's existance?"


Nokraenom nods his head at Elcyrion.



Elcyrion, the Erudite says, "Yet, the fates are not part of the Tapestry, and
they are said to exist not only in this world, but any world, even those outside
this existence."


Elcyrion, the Erudite says, "Nokraenom?"


Count Nokraenom d'Erlette says, "I disagree. By your standard, that the Fates
exist in both their existance and non-existance, that same theory could equally
be applied to anything else. I both exist at this time, and once and in the
future will not exist, so therefore I am immortal. I cannot agree that is the
case, for immortality would seem to require a coherent existence, since we are
discussing the idea of non-change over an infinite existence."


Kalodan nods his head at Elcyrion.


Elcyrion, the Erudite says, "An extremely sharp and good point."


Elcyrion, the Erudite says, "Kakodan?"


Elcyrion coughs softly.


Elcyrion, the Erudite says, "Kalodan even."



Seeker of the Dawn Kalodan Caelicus, Golden Faechild says, "But you would exist,
Nokraenom, simply as something else. Your body would be used as fertilizer for a
tree, for instance. Your thread would be measured and rewoven, and you would
exist in another mortal coil. But you would exist still, no?"



Nokraenom nods his head at Elcyrion.


Elcyrion nods His head at Nokraenom.


Soll nods his head at Kalodan.



Elcyrion, the Erudite says, "You may debate until someone else wishes to
interject."


Soll nods his head at Elcyrion.


Elcyrion, the Erudite says, "Which would be now."


Elcyrion chuckles long and heartily.


Druid Soll, of the Hart smiles and says, "After Nokraenom, of course."



Count Nokraenom d'Erlette says, "That still does not refute my point. By that
standard, everything is immortal, and nothing is not immortal. It does not
account for the distinction between immortality and mortality, which is the
underlying source of this debate. That theory is, in the end, a self-fulfilling
prophecy."


Elcyrion, the Erudite says, "Soll?"


Kalodan nods his head at Elcyrion.



Druid Soll, of the Hart says, "You seem to state that Nokraenom is immortal, so
then why are we so often stated to be mortal by those above our power, such as
Lord Elcyrion and Lord Raezon here?"


Elcyrion, the Erudite says, "Kalodan?"



Seeker of the Dawn Kalodan Caelicus, Golden Faechild says, "I believe by that
standard, all things carrying a divine shard would be immortal, yes? Anything
with a soul. Creatures, such as deer, do not bear this, and are not rewoven, and
thus simply mortal. As to Soll - I believe they refer to us as mortals because
we refer to ourselves as mortals. We believe that because we can die from old
age or a belly wound, we die very easily, and thus refer to it as mortality, and
us as mortals."



Elcyrion, the Erudite says, "What about spirits then?"


Elcyrion, the Erudite says, "Anyone?"


Seeker of the Dawn Kalodan Caelicus, Golden Faechild says, "I have always
wondered about them myself. I know when I give a beast new life, the spirit
consents. Perhaps they return as another animal, eventually."



Sylleria nods her head at Elcyrion.


Elcyrion, the Erudite says, "Sylleria."



In the centre of a cavernous geodesic prism.
Superimposed over this location, an ethereal forest reaches up to the sky.
Valandriel is here. He wields a tree-emblazoned heater shield in his left hand
and an athame dagger in his right. Raezon, the Forbidden is enshrouded in a pale
aura of azure flame that wreathes His body with energy. He wields a Blade of
Night, glowing darkly in His left hand and a Blade of Day, glowing brightly in
His right. Penumbra Scios, Servant of Death is here, sprawled on the floor. He
wields an athame dagger in his right hand. Ays Avyrl Lyreth, Invid Vryce, Druid
of the Hart is here, sprawled on the floor. He wields a winged celestial shield
of heraldic bearing in his left hand and a golden sickle in his right.
Starstruck Sylleria is here, sprawled on the floor. She wields an athame dagger
in her left hand. Mystical Suzari Lithara, Twilight's Sage is here. He wields a
shortsword depicting a stag and the moon in his left hand and an athame dagger
in his right. Seeker of the Dawn Kalodan Caelicus, Golden Faechild is here. He
wields a mystic cudgel in his left hand and a magic tome in his right. Count
Nokraenom d'Erlette is here. He wields a large darksteel round shield in his
left hand. Elcyrion, the Erudite floats here, a constant breeze billowing around
His translucent form. He wields a shining skysilver lantern of guidance in His
left hand. Shadowbound Shikisha is here, sprawled on the floor. Ur'Guard
Initiate, Razlus is here, sprawled on the floor. Squire Hayes, of the Armies of
Light is here, sprawled on the floor. He wields a hefty shovel in his left hand.
You see exits leading north, northeast, east, southeast, south, southwest, west,
northwest, up, and down.



Starstruck Sylleria says, "Perhaps if we are to refer to our mortality as our
constant tendency towards death, we should define it as such. Although we, as
those who have passed through the portal of fate, do not age and die from such,
we still have such tendencies."



Elcyrion, the Erudite says, "To give credit to this statement, one would have to
define death."


Soll nods his head at Elcyrion.


Elcyrion, the Erudite says, "Soll?"


Kalodan nods his head at Elcyrion.


Druid Soll, of the Hart says, "A move away from the time to immortality
discussion, perhaps. The Divine are widely known, or acclaimed, to have 'stores'
of Essence. Power for their personal usage. Now, it is known from time that
mortals are able to store a similar power source also, in the likes of Aesyra,
or Melanchthon. In the hopes of sparking interest from the quieter people here,
what then differs the Demigods from the mortal, and what differs them from
Immortal? They have both a life unaffected by age, and the ability to store
similar essence as the Divine here. A point we have also partially ignored is
the area of Divinity. So far we have talked about only Immortality and
mortality."


Elcyrion, the Erudite says, "Kalodan?"


Seeker of the Dawn Kalodan Caelicus, Golden Faechild says, "Death is the act of
the body being shrugged off, one's thread being snipped, and you being rewoven
in another body. For a divine, or a Soulless, it is one's essence being rent
apart and shattered on the wind, never to be returned to one entity. Of course,
You proved that such is not permanent."



Typhus nods his head at Elcyrion.


Elcyrion, the Erudite says, "Indeed, then who will be the last one alive? It
appears to Me that many "mortals" have already outlived My immortal cousins."


Elcyrion, the Erudite says, "Typhus."


Nokraenom nods his head at Elcyrion.


Typhus Aegroto says, "Then could you clarify on the nature of spirits? Are they
treads stuck within the pattren, or are they even dead in the sense they no
longer are alive?"


Elcyrion, the Erudite says, "Nokraenom."


Kalodan nods his head at Elcyrion.



Count Nokraenom d'Erlette says, "I will expand upon what Soll has touched on
towards a more controversial interpretation of the idea. What has allowed the
Divine to grow powerful and the divine shard in each mortal to fan to strength
beyond that of any ordinary mortal? It would seem that the answer is in
domination and subjugation. The Divine grow in strength by having the essence of
creatures offered up for Their uses, proffered by mortals bowed into Their
service. The same holds true for mortals: we murder, hunt, and slay creatures
and each other and our divine shard grows and becomes more whole and powerful.
We bend others to our influence and will through domination of the mind, and it
grows. Even the Soulless consume one another, another form of donation, to grow
more powerful. There are precious few activities where this is not the case,
that we have seen."


Elcyrion, the Erudite says, "Very interesting."


Elcyrion, the Erudite says, "Kalodan?"


Seeker of the Dawn Kalodan Caelicus, Golden Faechild says, "An agreeable point,
Nokraenom. I believe you have said all I wished to say."


Typhus nods his head at Elcyrion.


Elcyrion, the Erudite says, "Typhus."


Soll nods his head at Elcyrion.


Typhus Aegroto says, "Then would the nature of immortality be that one is so
knowledgable and powerful that they can not be dominated and broken?"



Elcyrion, the Erudite says, "Soll?"



Druid Soll, of the Hart says, "Briefly bypassing Typhus' point I will, for a
short while, focus on the assets of mortality over immortality. Perhaps that
will be easier to define, and set some thoughts in motion for the definition of
immortality. Mortality would be the subjection to death. We often refer to death
when our bodies are rent asunder, yet can that truly be such when our bodies are
reformed soon afterwards? Are we mortal because we are subject to death, or are
we immortal because we are reborn after death?"



Elcyrion, the Erudite says, "And even if you die, does your soul not get reborn
into another body?"


Elcyrion, the Erudite says, "Well then, we seem to be at a standstill for now.
Would someone like to quickly summarise the questions we have uncovered now?"


Elcyrion, the Erudite says, "We have found that death is not as clear as it may
seem and that it differs per form of existence as to what death means exactly."


Shikisha nods her head at Elcyrion.


Invid nods his head at Elcyrion.


Elcyrion, the Erudite says, "We have seen that Immortality in the traditional
sense does not exist, and that even the mere term Immortality is open to
interpretation."


Elcyrion, the Erudite says, "And last, and perhaps most importantly, we have
seen that perhaps it is the "mortals" who are in fact more immortal then the
Divine."


Elcyrion, the Erudite says, "Did you wish to add anything, Shikisha?"



Elcyrion, the Erudite says, "In that case, Invid perhaps?"


Shadowbound Shikisha says, "To reply to Soll's point I would view mortality as
being subject to death. I would see us all as being mortal as we are all subject
to the pain of death one way or another even though we are reincarnated."


Soll nods his head at Elcyrion.


Elcyrion, the Erudite says, "Invid?"


Ays Avyrl Lyreth, Invid Vryce, Druid of the Hart says, "Seeing as how death
would seem to be rather vague, and subject to many interpretations, I would like
to point out the issue of those considered to be undead. If death cannot be
defined, perhaps undeath, at least, can."


Elcyrion, the Erudite says, "Soll?"


Druid Soll, of the Hart says, "A good point, Shikisha, but it seems to be stuck
in a short-term view. You looked at one instance, yet over the course of many
instances we could also be classed as Immortal. Each time we return from death
we are granted a new "mortal" body. Perhaps our multiple "mortal" bodies is what
can make us immortal. Invid's point is also interesting, and would make me ask
the question: "If death is seperate from undeath, is undeath a form of life?""


Kalodan nods his head at Elcyrion.


Elcyrion, the Erudite says, "Kalodan."


Valarien nods his head at Elcyrion.


Shikisha nods her head at Elcyrion.



Seeker of the Dawn Kalodan Caelicus, Golden Faechild says, "An interesting
question, but I believe Undeath would be classified under Nokraenom's belief of
domination and subjugation. In this instance, the divine shard is simply
cheating death. I have seen those in undeath die, so they cannot escape it
forever. Just as Nature cannot save me from death forever - but it does a damn
good job of it."


Nokraenom nods his head at Elcyrion.


Elcyrion, the Erudite says, "Valarien?"


Penumbra Valarien, Servant of Wisdom says, "I just wanted to make a general
statement regarding the debate in whole, thus far...I find this interesting, as
the views of what immortality is exactly differ so much. True, I suppose that IS
the point of this debate. At any rate, in the sense that some infintesimal speck
of our existance or essence will always carry on into the future, aye, I could
see that view that we are all immortal to that regard. As far as immortality is
concerned involving Death and Life, it can be argued that we are each immortal
as I'm sure most of us have died more than once, yet here we stand in this room,
debating. In my mind, Immortality is determined by...relativity. In this world,
all things are relative, that much is true. Ease for one may take incredible
effort for another. Following through with this belief, I feel that Immortality
will bring different meaning to whoever feels as though they possess it. The
Gods are Immortal in that They last much longer than you and I, ages and eons
longer, as it were, and hold within Themselves much more Power. As for whether
that power is obtained directly through the subjugation of another, I myself
cannot say. Surely it would aid in that effort, but can it really be construed
to come from naught but it? You and I are also immortal in the sense that, aye,
we do not age, we do not die of age, and when our bodies are rent, we heal and
return to life anew, be it from our current body, or by inhabiting an entirely
new one. Once again, showing immortality as a relative concept in my eyes. In
some sense of the word, do we not all seem to be immortal?"



Elcyrion, the Erudite says, "Would you like a drink of water now?"


Elcyrion's mouth turns up as His face breaks into a smile.


Elcyrion, the Erudite says, "Shikisha?"


Shadowbound Shikisha says, "All in all I would find this subject very broad. I
would say everyone with us has a different view on this. In some ways we are
mortal; in the fact we will all face death at some point; and in some ways we
are immortal in the fact that we shall be reborn and given a new life, our souls
'implanted' into a new body."


Elcyrion, the Erudite says, "Nokraenom?"


Razlus nods his head at Elcyrion.


Invid nods his head at Elcyrion.


Count Nokraenom d'Erlette says, "In response to Valarien, that is the same
disagreement I had with Kalodan, that this debate is in drawing the line of
distinction between immortality, an ideal of the infinite, and mortality, the
reality of a state of constant change and flux. In regards to Undeath, Kalodan
has a good point. Undeath, unlike much traditional folklore and superstition
spread by the common and unlearned peoples, does not emulate death. The Undead
still need to breathe, lest they drown, and still require sustenance as the
Living do. Though we can draw sustenance from other sources, so can the Living
who have studied Necromancy. Undeath, then, is merely a simple defiance of
destiny, and of the Fates. The Undead are not respun as the Fates, and thus
destiny, deigns fit, or if the Fates deign not to respin them it can be used to
defy that destiny as well by forcing a sort of life back into the corpse. This
is much the same as Ecologists can do, both are defiances of destiny, and
nothing more."


Typhus nods his head at Elcyrion.


Elcyrion, the Erudite says, "Razlus?"


Ays Avyrl Lyreth, Invid Vryce, Druid of the Hart says, "It occurs to me that the
word 'we' keeps springing up; we do this, we are that. Yet we have not yet
defined ourselves. Does 'we' refer to our physical bodies, our souls, the
combination thereof, or something else entirely? The definition of death, and
indeed mortality, would seem to beis dependant on this."


Ays Avyrl Lyreth, Invid Vryce, Druid of the Hart says, "My appologies."


Ur'Guard Initiate, Razlus says, "The soul is immortal, while the body is not.
This means while the body may wither and die, the soul persists, and is reborn
into another. But, while being immortal, the soul is not divine. It has far more
constraints on it, far more limits; but perhaps that these limits are in fact
not unsurpassable, for the vernal gods did manage to seal the soulless, where
the elder gods could not. So in the end is can be seen that mortals are in fact
immortal, and have the potential to become divine, but most cannot attain that
status. While gods have attained the status of divine, through methods I cannot
fathom."


Elcyrion gives Invid the once-over, eyeing him suspiciously.


Elcyrion, the Erudite says, "Typhus?"


Typhus Aegroto says, "All this talk of souls being placed back within bodies
leads me to ask those present if they consider the soul to be immortal. And if
so, would they consider it the fragment of divinity that resides within them.
And if they believe that, then are the Divine simply a complete soul and
mortality splinters of it?"


Nokraenom nods his head at Elcyrion.


Elcyrion, the Erudite says, "Nokraenom."


Count Nokraenom d'Erlette says, "No, the soul is not Immortal. Immortality, as I
proposed earlier in this debate, spans the infinite. The infinite exists beyond
time, for it existed before it, and time cannot exist after it. Therefore, we
can conclude that time is a finite commodity, because it is not infinite. Before
both Creation, and thus time, nothing existed by Yudhe. So, unless it is
presumed that Yudhe is a sort of collective "oversoul" for us all, which I have
seen no evidence whatsoever to support, the soul is not Immortal."


Sylleria nods her head at Elcyrion.


Elcyrion, the Erudite says, "Sylleria."


Starstruck Sylleria says, "But if we are only to define immortality to be that
which spans the infinite entirely, can anything at all be considered immortal? I
think such a definition is too specific and limiting, considering how we use
immortality to describe those like the Divine on a day-to-day basis. I think we
should broaden our definition somewhat to include more than those which are
truly infinite."


Scios nods his head at Elcyrion.


Elcyrion, the Erudite says, "Ah, conflictive opinions, splendid!"


Elcyrion, the Erudite says, "Scios?"


Invid nods his head at Elcyrion.


Penumbra Scios, Servant of Death says, "Perhaps no one creature or even soul is
immortal. Just like we have a thread on the tapestry of fate, perhaps there is
an existance that spans more than one thread. Perhaps the tapestry itself it a
creature, tended to by the fates. Such an existance would be truly immortal. It
would begin at the start of time until all and everything blinks out, so to say,
at the end. If that is so we, as souls in the tapestry, are just in its makeup.
We live, die and all else moves on, but to the tapestry it makes no difference."


Nokraenom nods his head at Elcyrion.


Elcyrion, the Erudite says, "Invid?"


Ays Avyrl Lyreth, Invid Vryce, Druid of the Hart says, "Since Yudhe has been
brought up, I would ask: could He be defined as the only Immortal? It would seem
to be to be so."


Elcyrion, the Erudite says, "Nokraenom."


Count Nokraenom d'Erlette says, "We have seen nothing that is truly infinite,
no. Infinite is an ideal, defined by our own experiences, as all learning is. We
have seen the non-infinite, and therefore through it we "know" the infinite. Our
experiences, and what knowledge we can and have drawn from them, however, have
yet seen nothing that meets that ideal. In regards to Yudhe, it is -possible,-
but I don't think we know enough about Him to make a conclusion or realistic
judgment on whether He is infinite."



Elcyrion, the Erudite says, "These are all very interesting points, and I am
most pleased. In this light, I would like to initiate a last round of opinions
if anyone would like to inject a last statement and then draw it to a close."



Elcyrion, the Erudite says, "Anyone wish to draw a conclusion or inject a final
opinion or statement?"


Soll nods his head at Elcyrion.


Nokraenom nods his head at Elcyrion.



Druid Soll, of the Hart says, "You first, Nokraenom."


Elcyrion, the Erudite says, "Soll."


Elcyrion, the Erudite says, "No Soll, you may go first."


Druid Soll, of the Hart says, "I would just add the small statement that I do
not believe it is possible to define something as infinite until such a time as
it stops being such. It would then, of course, not be able to be classed as
that. Before it stops being infinite, we can only assume that it can be such."


Druid Soll, of the Hart looks thoughtful and says, "Almost nonsensical."


Elcyrion, the Erudite says, "Nokraenom?"


Count Nokraenom d'Erlette says, "Perhaps a bit off from the rest of our debate,
but I would just like my last comment to be to extend my thanks to all who
joined me in participating. It is not through sitting alone in dark corners,
pondering these thoughts, that we have come to these theories, ideas, and
conclusions. It is only fair to say that our debate has been built on the ideas
and contributions of everyone here. It has certainly been most enlightening and
engaging for me."


Elcyrion's mouth turns up as His face breaks into a smile.



Elcyrion, the Erudite says, "Which I think an excellent statement to seal this
debate. I would indeed like to thank everyone for participating and most of all
for keeping it as polite and civil as it was. Truly a debate worthy of those who
walk in the light of the fifth circle."