The point is that EVERYONE has a skill to avoid praying. Well, Glom has one too. In a third skillset of one guild.

AND....I don't care if there's a point in it or not. If Ash throws a fit, he's likely to overreact a little.

Malicia, that doesn't make sense. Just because it is technically possible to slay the Avatars, and has been done, does not mean that they are balanced. It takes a far larger and more skilled group to take down an avatar than it does for a Supernal or Demon Lord.

If Fain gave Daevos a katana that did 20,000 damage with each swing and had 2 second balance, he would still be killable, but everyone would say he is overpowered anyway - because he would be.

I do wish you luck with getting the bipolar thing under control. A friend of in-laws had some serious problems with it, and I know it can be rough.

But you're using the same reasoning here of blaming the victim that's classic to domestic violence.

There's no great leap to make from, "If those darn Serenwilders wouldn't make me mad, I wouldn't be killing them all the time," to get to, "You know how much I love you, honey. I didn't want to hurt you, but you made me do it."

Please don't buy into this runaway train of logic, or the next innocent person you take a swing at may not be virtual.

Have you ever killed an Avatar? What about a Demon Lord? I've killed both, there are huge differences - mainly health. The attacks are of similiar strength, except the Demon Lords have uber health compared.

How do you know? You do realize that no one has attacked the Moon Avatars in almost 1 rl year, right? You have no idea what sorts of attacks they have. You have no idea how much health they have.

Health is no factor if there is a tuned totem and twenty guards in the room. How well defended were the ones you killed, Narsrim? And I'm assuming they were Night ones.

I've slain all three Night Avatars (in fact, I've slain them solo... but alas, they are beefy now).

Furthermore, you make more than one assumption:

- The whole point of killing a Demon Lord/Avatar is to drain power. If there are 20 guards at each Avatar, that's 60 guards. 60 X 25p per month = 1500p. That's means it is costing the Commune the equivalent of 1.5 Avatar deaths a month to keep guards.

- Health is a factor. I'm not sure if you are aware, but every demon lord summons archdemons to assist them. Now, you might not get to place commune guards, but gorgulu can amass 5-10 archdemons in no times... that cost no power.

I hate to say it, but Narsrim has a point about the archdemons/archangels. The argument about why we can't place guards is kinda mute for awhile... damn I agreed with him twice. Someone shoot me Most Demon Lords and Supernals can summon archangels/archdemons when they are attacked and I know they're stronger then regular guards

It takes a bit for the archdemons to accumulate, whereas the guards are hitting you from the very beginning, more guards can run in from adjacent rooms to assist, and there's still the matter of totems.

I have one question in this matter.

1: Does the Avatars help each other whenever one gets attacked?

Archdemons and Archangels are stronger then regular guards, and they can be pumped out one a min

If Celestia and Nil had a protection against Forest demense, it would make it even with defense of the Avatars in Ethereal in my opinion.

Well, elemental planes are already protected against forest, although it would actually make more sense for cosmic to be protected against them and elemental be forestable. Make earth immune to flooding, water to tainting, cosmic planes to foresting, ethereal to flood or taint.

I agree with Guid!!

Here's a thought... Influencing is NOT AN AGRESSIVE ACT. Bet that would explain why it can be done graced, and why there is sanctuary... just a thougt.

With the addition of peaced villages, those who dislike all the violence associated with villages can have their fun without sanctuary, so I don't even see why we need it these days.

So -that's- why you are only beating on Celest. You can't handle Seren.
Celest will manage no matter what you through our way.

Note the fact that they are free. Furthermore, why is this totem so damn special to you. The avatars aren't aggressive. You walk in the room, you hit the totem, and you heal back up. The avatars won't even assist guards.

But then if you leave the room and come back, the avatar WILL be aggressive and the totem WILL hit (example, treelife/bane).

Never raided Celest, no matter how much you guys deserve it. I do plenty of things to annoy you, but hey, that's life. It's what you get for enemying me for killing Nyla's angel in village influence.

And, erm, I do raid prime Serenwilde and Seren villages.

Realistically, you aren't going to kill the Avatars if someone has a meld there even if there were no totems. Furthermore, I killed the slaugh-night avatar when she had a totem at her

So what this thread comes down to is this: you want to be able to kill who you want when you want? If you can't, you'll go kill others to fill some sort of logical connection?