Magnagora is sticking to the roleplay given to them. Historically it makes sense for Magnagora to beat the out of Celest/Serenwilde: it's trying to gain domination over the Basin, and it is directly opposed by both societies. Why would it conceivably just say "oh, well, might as well not bother killing my mortal enemies, let's split the villages equally!", when it could just as easily say "heathen scum, join us or suffer"?

And I have very rarely seen high-level, top-tier Magnagoran combatants whingeing or moaning after being killed or forced to pray. I can say with some degree of certainty that people like Daevos, Kaervas, Eiru (while he was one), Alger and Ixion rarely bitch about having to pray. Kaervas lost frigging Demigod and cost Fain a load of essence and he barely posted about it, he only replied to a topic that Aesyra made regarding it. There are exceptions to the bitchiness (Murphy and Thorgal - sorry guys), but people like Amaru, Ceres, Narsrim and Tuek have bitched a goddamn lot more than even they.

Anyone remember the time Narsrim was informed that "all forms of instant transportation should be stopped by monolith", and immeadiately started a crusade to get Catacombs Tarot nerfed? Or the time a change was made in game due to Magnagoran complaints on this forum, and Narsrim immeadiately made about five topics bitching about all of the skills he felt were overpowered and why they should be nerfed, and arguing with the premise "Well, why shouldn't they be nerfed? MY skills got nerfed due to YOUR complaints". Or perhaps the unforgettable time Amaru had a good old whinge when he was killed by the crucify/trample/sacrifice combo.

Every organization has its bitchy bastards, just like every organization has its griefers. It's just some orgs have louder griefers/:censor: that are much better at fighting, and thus are interacted with more. I think that's the case with Magnagora.

EDIT: Watch your language. ~Shiri~

Obviously you haven't been around some of them when they had to; I clearly remember Ixion throwing temper tantrums as a soul and on Bellator whenever he had to pray (in a Bondero Bay battle is the last one that comes to mind).

They go absolutely nuts when they have to pray. To say otherwise is crap. The other orgs are pretty used to it. Liches rarely pray. But that's the point of it, yes? I want a way to destroy corpses without having to offer them.

I actually wrote part of the code for the Serenwilde corpse-destroy skill I imagined (COMPOST) once, just for fun. It left behind a mound of decomposing, loamy soil with a daisy growing out of it, and a faint hint of the smell of Victimsnamehere. But it never got through the envoy report process.

I'm going to suggest compost in Nature then... with a slight twist. If a compost pile is in a room, it makes herbs there grow at a speeded rate. Stacks with nature growth

Well first of all the discussion usually revolves around something that is a bit overpowered or a mechanics oversight; but of course it's annoying to have people think lich is so godly when in reality transmigration is infinitesimally better. My disgruntlings are more at such things than actually praying

Yes and everyone - especially people of a city- can get transmigration.

The demigod has spoken.

You're learning brother.

Swearing and moaning before you pray, and over a channel right after coming back, doesn't mean jack ****. A person just died and lost potentially hours of work, so it's quite natural that, whether the death was fair or not, they're going to feel a rather strong flash of anger at losing that work. They'll swear, moan, bitch over the handiest clan at hand, ect. But you'll find that once they calm down, generally a rather quick process, it becomes rather obvious that they meant nothing or close to nothing of what they said.

So none of this "10 seconds after I killed Murphy...!".

First of all almost all of them have whined or moaned about praying, in fact they just recently went on a crusade to make everyone who forced them to pray in the fulcrux pay for it.

Second of all, no Kaervas didn't post. He swore at everyone involved, on Bellator, then quit Lusternia, it was not until Diamante convinced him to come back that he did so.

Even with Transmigration, I have prayed, I have needed resurgem, I have not had free deaths each and everytime. Maybe in Magnagora certain people would have unlimited power and therefore 100% free deaths with it, but not every citizen has unlimited power, and I certainly don't in the Serenwilde. Meaning that there are going to be times you are involved in something and you just don't get to transmigrate. Hiding this fact from everyone and saying "as long as you have this you never need to pray" is disingenuous at best. I could easily make the very same statement of lich.

I have also never been one to complain about lich or the fact that people use it to escape death. However, considering the only defense to stop liches comes from the cities and is incredibly difficult these days for anyone not in a city to get, I find it incredibly hard to believe those that say "lich has only saved me from praying like 10 times.". I personally think alot of people who lich, need to learn to use their toes when they count.

Man.....I can understand this. I'd be VERY pissed off too if I lost like 3 months of bashing for one death, don't say you wouldn't be. I'd probably cuss on every clan I have except the strictly IC ones, and then I'd proceed and only come back after like....1 month of inactivity, if I'd even come back.

Except you are missing one fact. Kaervas -knew- one death would cost him Demigod. He had just said it on Bellator that he shouldn't be hunting Astral cause if he dies he is screwed.

It is one thing to be pissed when something you don't expect to happen happens. It is another thing to blame everyone around you for something that you could have prevented.

Now I like Kaervas and I am glad he is back, but that doesn't change the fact of what happened.

And I know that he knew it. Still doesn't change much of the fact that he is allowed to cuss around and all. If you know you are screwed if you fail to do a certain thing, and then fail, wouldn't you still cuss, even though you knew the consequenzes for a failure?

Not actully sure what me losing Demigod has to do with this thread at all but still, everything I said back then was in the heat of the moment, yes I bitched for about 10 minutes then quit playing. I'm totally over it now and I'm not really sure why it was necessary to bring it up and start going over it all again. We've established that I screwed up and yes I was pissed but now it's over. You make it seem as if I'm still bitching at people over it.

Pray tell, what exactly is the defense against transmigrate when the pet is left in a stock room or something similar?

You even get grace for it.

No grace for a transmigration death. It only appears that way until the new body actually reforms.

That having been said...before I had transmigration, I used to think lich was overpowered. Now I know it is.

Hell you could just put your bonded creature into your manse now that people can't track or beam into other people's manses, you'd never have to lose exp again.

You dont need to be on same plane as bonded animal?