Maeve's been killed MANY times before, I'm 100% sure of it.

Any place that requires no set up fighting. Like attacks, or unanticipated raids. The latter is what I'd like guardians to be more adept at.

Glomdoring and Magnagora used to go in all the time to kill Maeve and her Court, the only thing on Ethereal that comes near to immortal is that rabbit. I wont call it immortal cause I remember Shikari getting upset and killing a Mag for calling it immortal, this was done in front of all the Moon Coven who went in to defend Faethorn from him

In Lusternia's context, immortal doesn't mean "can't die", it means "can't permanently die." So all Ethereal/Cosmic spirits are immortal.

Bear in mind that all Wiccans (without a 2000 credit artifact) have to go through cosmic planes in order to get to Astral.

If I was them, I'd be rather pissed off if I had to resummon my entourage every time I went bashing there. That's a lot of power wasted.

There's also the fact that I would consider a Wiccan much weaker without fae, than I would a Guardian without an angel or demon.

Just summon it on astral. Or leave them, go to Astral, call them back, you can call them from another plane right?

Yep! Just would have to hope y'don't pop out onto Astral to find things right there for you. Not that I'd know if there would be. Astral scares me ...

Ha, visit Astral? Tsuki barely leaves the Seren or the villages.

Then why did one of the Gods get upset? Why did one of the Gods decide to kill the person who suggested it?

Im sure Shikari could tell me, Im actually curious if it does actually mean that.

By your definition, Shiri, everyone is immortal. An immortal is someone that never dies for good; if they can be ressurected an infinite number of times they are immortal. Players are not, because it can be assumed that eventually, from an IC perspective, we'll all die from old age at -some- point.

Demons can be used on ethereal though... so are we perposing when a demon walks onto ethereal it 'explodes' same with angels

But Atropos won't save us forever, IC, whereas you can't really kill a Fae, since it's a "corporealised" spirit.

A question, do Celestine pledges require you to die like demon pacts?

Not necessarily, using Shiri's definition (which I'm not entirely sure I agree with) players are not immortal because if the Fates or other mortals don't ressurect them, they stay dead.

Maeve cannot stay dead - in an IC sense Fae are spirits that cannot be wholly destroyed, only their physical manifestation disrupted for a short time.

Then Fae should die when they arrive on Celestia/Nil if they don't already

Pacts don't. They just MIGHT.

Nihilist pacts don't auto-kill you, they just deal so much damage that you need something like 5000 health to survive it.

Anyway, the point is, fae dying on Cosmic would make sense and it would add balance. Cosmic beings surviving on ethereal is balanced and could be passed off as the big bad demons and uberangels being more naturally resiliant than those fragile wee nature spirits. Also, fae death would take long enough to go into affect (20-30 seconds?) that you would be able to transverse to astral safely.

There's no reason at all to have one and not the other.

Ok, couple of things.

First, pacts deal that much damage? That's crap. Nihilists shouldn't have to die multiple times for every raid against the Demon Lords - its too harsh. The damage should be entirely % based, in my opinion. That's enough for RP without screwing over the poor player.

Second, if Fae cannot survive on Cosmic (and remember Fae are the soul of all living things, the spirit of nature), there is no way in hell individual angels/demons are going to be able to survive below Elemental planes. I can see why the polarity between Nil/Celestia causes pain to the opposites of the cosmic force, but I think making planar differences like this would become too extreme and unwieldy. To be fair, I suppose enslaved fae should run away to be free in Ethereal Serenwilde, and Moondancer fae should become hypnotised and wander off to serve when they are brought into Ethereal Glomdoring. That would make sense, but not Ethereal vs Cosmic.

I never died when I pledged as a nihilist. If you are smart about it, you can escape.

What stops you from doing:

Pact ; grovel ? I used to do it. You can pact and them grovel off equilibrium/balance to get poofed out.