If i had the gold to do it, i was thinking of buying a shop, and putting in packs with commodities, sort of like a furniture kit, and selling them at the price of the comms it cost me, and having a sign which says to contact me and i'll come and build the furniture. Though it works as an idea, it costs too much at the start to make it worth while.

Because I am a Wiccan and requiring me to quit so I can speak elfen and read books is silly and unjustified.

Bookbinding needing Highmagic? What are you smoking?

And if people are looking for thrones, that's a very small market. People who can afford thrones. A large majority of people can't, or don't even know they exist.

And bookbinding will always have a market. A tiny one. Books don't decay. I still think books should have long decay times (200+ months), and you making copies should require a blank book of the same type to copy into, instead of magically producing it. In exchange, reduce the costs a bit, so masters aren't so hideously expensive and copies so much cheaper. Make it so someone other than orgs will buy larger volumes.

Tailors can make Great Robes (Which eight guilds need, considering that they're the only type of armour two of them can wear), and proofed cloaks. That's about it. Well, if people actually cared to roleplay the fact that wearing full plate is horribly uncomfortable (The game should make it impossible to sleep in it. Also, it should be harder to get up when you're wearing it.), tailors would sell. Jewelry is needed for enchantments, and since it can be worn along with armour, a lot of people buy it for looks. Cooking is a tradeskill everyone needs on a regular basis, but if you can't get a shop, you'll get no business and even so the profit is sucky. Enchantment only makes you any gold when someone needs a cube recharged, now, or when someone needs a new enchantment. At 25gp for charge, it's not horribly profitable. Alchemy is probably the most profitable tradeskill (If you can refill kegs for someone). Or it would be if the profit margins weren't so ridiculous. Artisan has a very sporadic demand (Probably no more than a handful of furniture is crafted every year.) So does bookbinding. Herbs has a steady demand, but is shop-dependant like all tradeskills. (Although most shops don't carry the alchemy-only herbs). Forging is good; every single member of the warrior guilds takes at least two forging items. The bad thing is that they take a long time to forge, and about 200 months to decay.

Conclusion: All tradeskills suck. The least sucky ones are herbs, alchemy and enchantment, but they're still not much more profitable (If they're more profitable at all) than hunting, questing or influencing.

Alchemy sucks as a tradeskill. When I get the credits, I'm switching to Herbs. And kegs has made this so much worse...

Alchemy is a constant pain in the arse because it burns through herbs like nothing else. Consider a keg of healing, it takes 800 galingale! Ever tried to buy 800 galingale? Good luck. It is difficult to come by in shops (most shops stock at a max, 100 galingale) and given it is so harvested (since people in novicehood could technically harvest it), you end up waiting forever.

On top of that, there are RETARDED people out there who sell for the most absurd prices. I honestly want to kill every single person who sells health refills in kegs for less than 250 gold.

So on top of being annoying, people try to undercut so bad... it just isn't worth the time. If you have, herbs, however... you not ONLY get free herbs, but you get damn near free refills. I know people who charge like 30 gold per refill if you provide herbs *keels them*

anyone who thinks that bookbinding will have a large enough market regardless of any money situation in the basin needs a catscan.

most orgs will just get an omnibus and fill that. people writing books would only need them randomly. really you would only need a handful of bookbinders to take care of that.

Please note that the other tradeskills (except artisan i belive) have things that decay, if artisan furniture decayed after x ammount of time, the artisans could be hired to do regular jobs and same with bookbinders (perhaps a better version of the tailors mend?). which is generally what would get them their profit. oh aswell as being able to be sold in shops.

All artisan furniture decays.... what are you talking about, i'm not sure about bookshelves, but they probably do. Herbs dont decay, alchemy doesn't decay, because well it cant, enchantments dont decay.

The only tradeskills with decaying items are artisan, tailoring, jewelery, forging. Not sure about bookbinding.

How exactly do you want beds and thrones to be sold in shops, i mean, besides that, you cant carry them. I have my idea about how to sell artisan stuff in shops, but i cant be bothered explaining.

Books don't decay, but the way I see it artisan has even less customers than bookbinding.

This might be because I don't like manses and am underestimating the proportion of people who do though.

There will be a partial influx of artisan demands as the guilds want bookshelves, which will die down, unless they do infact decay, where about every 200 months, there will be another surge. Books really should decay, though if they're in a library they should decay slower, or have double life.

True that bookbinding and artisan are probably the worst tradeskills to get money off of, some people, myself included actually pick the skill because it seems interesting, they dont deserve to be a secondary tradeskill anymore then alchemy, herbs, forging, enchantment, tailoring, jewelery does. It's not the cost of them, it's just the market, which is quite small, because of the high amount of commodities, which i'm sure most of the trademasters are trying to cut down on. There's a whole 3 active ones that i know of now, huzzah!

While there's a decently noticed thread about this, why the hell do boxes drop when you leave, i mean they're supposed to slow down jewelery decay in them by 50%, 5 items can be in them, but they drop when you leave, it's just stupid. I mean who seriously would put 5 things in the box, and then have it drop when they leave, it's just not even worth it.

WTF are you talking about? Alchemy wares decay; it's based on the vial decay time.

I'm a transcendent Artisan, and I chose that trade because one, Glomdoring has a lot of herbalists, and two, I thought it would be fun. I knew I wasn't going to make a lot of money with it. I don't care. It's the RP for me.

Man, as an Enchanter, I got around 40k average every day in Mag. Beat that?
And I am only alchemist because I use like 30 vials of health every day, and I am not too keen on waiting for an alchemist to come and refill them for me.

I think Lirathea thinks you did it to spite her.

And if anyone actually read the announce posts... bookshelves don't decay. That would be retarded.

I sell 800-2000 galingale on a regular basis... maybe you just need better herbalists.

I buy herbs in groups of 2000 usually.

Maybe if you actually asked some herbalists! We have that nifty CHELP TRADERS file around, and I'm on it.

Sheesh, Aesyra just cleaned me out of 2131 galingale a few days ago (along with over 700 sargassum and a bunch of juniper). Just think, I could've sold that to you. Going to take me awhile to build up my stock again, but if you want me to fill an order tell me. Send a message or something, and I'll let you know when I'm done.

...Dammit, I didn't do it to start a war with her. Let me know when she's over it, okay? Because IG, she seems to be over it when she talks to me. She's even corrected a few designs because of my input.

I ask on market all the time *pout Tsuki*

I make it a point never to listen to Market. Tsuki is only interested in selling to Serens, though she'll consider those she can confirm are Celestians as well, if they approach her. I tend to get enough business over time that I don't need to seek it out.

And if I somehow don't get business, the herbs'll keep and I'll weevil to buy food. Or they can go into shops. Order shop, family shop, guild shop are all possibilities. Order shop's been making me especially happy since I've been given the ability to play with it. My fellow Order members are going to start running away from me when I get more into the swing of things and start pestering them for donations.