Instead of adding new quests, I suggest making the Avatars more viable as targets and tweaking up the Crow/Hart quests to work as soon as is feasible. Crow/Hart can still be killed in regular combat, but that's hella hard.

Also, Faethorn needs to be put back to its original state. Right now it is almost literally impossible to create any Imps or Cherubs. In order to do so you would need to...

1. Enter EtherGlom or EtherWilde and kill a Fae there. If you're not enemied yet, then you'll be enemied to the commune and Night or Moon at the same time and will have one hell of a time escaping with the Fae. If you're already enemied, it will be even harder. Guards, totems, blahblah.
2. Bring the dead Fae to the Well of Souls. Plop it in.
3. Wait for the neutral fae to spawn, and find it.
4. Give it a honeycake.
5. Bring it over to Raziela or... Gorgulu, right?

On the other hand, I'm pretty sure making a Fae involves...

1. Kill Cherub or Imp.
2. Put it in Well.
3. Bamf.

Binding it in shadows or converting it to the Moon after that is just a matter of a honeycake.

By that logic, Glomdoring, Magnagora, Serenwilde, and Celest are all IC organizations. We're not to talk about them?

Remember, players are requesting that things are taken IC. Things like:

Narsrim killed me the other day! Your city sucks! Why don't we have any villages? Why are the prices of gems so high?

These are things you can change or deal with. This thread is an ooc thread, just like...

Mugwumps are overpowered! What's the syntax for submitting designs? We need a quest to balance the fact that the org-damaging quests are solely for cities right now!

Edit: Ninja'ed by about 5 people

That's fine, but be consistent. I do not want to see any threads that start out with a reasonable precept closed because IC insults/arguments are brought up.

This is your call as moderators, but make it fairly.

I want to know why you said Magnagora has been geting things on a silver platter and name four things we grieved about.. Please?


edit: Yes I know it's sarcasm, but I want to know if he has actually proof of this... Atleast what Ixch said was correct

When? The only major attack on white hart to my knowledge was when valek tried it and during that situation, I think White Hart got hit twice before everyone else left or was wisped to death.

You can't make imps or cherbus anyways. They don't convert now.

As you said, I was being sarcastic, I don't really think "Magnagora" has been given any advantage over other organizations, nor do I think "Magnagorans" are any more likely to be griefers than characters from other organizations.

But I can make broad sweeping statements as well as the next person, and I can always give my slanted perception of events like Ixch did.

When the quest to raise Crow was 'too hard' for "Magnagora", they were given a hardcoded quest to steal colts into a guarded room in the inner city, while poor Serenwilde had no means of protecting them.

When Narsrim and others were able to kill Demon Lords, they were greatly upgraded after constant whining by "Magnagora".

When Spores were being used to great effect by Serenwilde characters, continuous threads whining about how unfair it was popped up from "Magnagorans" and they were nerfed, while similar skills in Magnagora's arsenal were not.

When Wisp was used against Magnagorans, "they" came to the forums to complain endlessly about it - first downgrading it so that it wouldn't work on monolith sigils, and after still more whining, downgrading it so that it has a delay.

Do I really believe "Magnagora" whines a lot? Of course not. There are players that have characters in Magnagora that whine, just like there are players with characters in Celest, Serenwilde and Glomdoring that do the same. However, to start associating that with the in-game conflict and organizations is rather ridiculous, I feel.

Edit: Really though, let's not divert the thread, which is somewhat reasonable.

Oh, and to contribute something meaningful... An Anti-Commune Quest (Minus the guards)

According to the latest arguments, including those suggested by Estarra, the last is actually an IC issue, or at least an issue that can be solved IG. The cities are troubled by the fact they have no way to counter the Communes' ability to tear into them. They want a way to fight back. As such, that can be done by:

1. RPed posts/actions/events organized by the city that research ways for Hart to be weakened, or Serenwilde to be attacked. It would require actions noticable by the gods but a whole city could pull that off.

2. Messages to the Administrative gods if it must be organized OOCLY, or an IG Divine if the whole matter can be settled ICly "Lord Fain! We must find Serenwilde's weakness!".

3. The plots board, if you have enough hours on you and are creative enough.

As such, we now have the outcry of "Take that idea IG!". It sure beats 5000 posts that make you wonder whether they are OOCly insulting each other or being too IC (either way, a bad thing).

Myself I have ideas. My character, though, still needs a serious case of Harden Up before she'll listen to me (and I need ALOT more time to actualy play the game)

Being that ingame I would never help with such a project...

Think about ways of having totems do -less- power. (instead of destroying totems completely)

Devise a way to make the Great spirits sick, thus removing some skills or giving less power per fae.

I think the key thing to think about is moderation. Hurt but not destroy completely untill the quest goes on for so long and there is no fix from the other people.

Also, think of ways to hurt both commmunes at once, or only one commmune.

But please... Do it all In Game!

This was when I was a Magnagoran (kept the serenguard skills though) for about a week. I'd been planning a raid to kill hart, and gathering information, but when I heard Nikua had just left and briefly screwed everyone, we figured that was the only chance we were going to get, and that the guards were disbanded.

We were misinformed. The guards still attacked us, and our crazy, rushed attack on Hart fell apart. Must have been... like 20 years ago.