The Ethereal Plane is not only aligned with forests? Riiiight. Do you notice any other environments on Ethereal? While there are areas that mirror more muddy or more water-based areas, they are in fact still forests.

Furthermore, it says point blank the other Vernals didn't even know of the Ethereal Plane. That would indicate Kiakoda didn't tell them In fact, there is a point where it talks about Nihilist scholars saying this was because she wanted to hoarde the power of the Fae and the Wiccans saying she wanted to protect them. Neither would be accomplished if she was letting this and that be built there.

No it didn't. It said they didn't know about the Fae or the Greater Nature Spirits. That is like saying if you didn't know about Supernals that you couldn't know about Cosmic. That's just silly, and obviously not true.

And the Ethereal is as much aligned with the Forests as Cosmic is aligned with the light. Forests may be based in Ethereal, and Light may be based in Cosmic, but that doesn't necessarily work the other way around.

For instance Square = rectangle, but rectangle != square

First, Cosmic has nothing to do with "the Light." Cosmic is not Celestia. Celestia is, however, a cosmic plane and very DOES have to do with the Light.

Second, ever visit Celestia and not see a single angel? Every try visitng Ethereal Serenwilde or Ethereal Glomdoring or Faethorn and not see Fae, an Avatar, etc. I feel is quite apparent that if you visited (or even spent the time to amass a massive planar structure), they just wouldn't slip by.

Furthermore, the quote from the histories justifies Kiakoda's knowledge of the Fae by saying that she was in constant touch with Faethorn. This implies that by being in touch with Faethorn, she was able to visit the Fae.

What did Urlach do? Walk around with a blind fold?

Ethereal is not the same as Faethorn, apparently. Catacombs being a proof.

I coulda sworn Maeve once mentioning Kiakoda made her sceptre..anyone wanna clarify? Since Im fairly sure she said a name with 'iakoda' in it, its either Miakoda the spirit of the Moonhart, or Kiakoda the Vernal Goddess. And the histories say briefly that it was thought she may have known of the Fae and the Ethereal Plane.

Edit: To include this;

This is actually an interesting anomaly that Elryn once tried to research, though no-one he could find in Magnagora knew much more about it than anyone else.

Elryn's thoughts:

It is clear that the Ethereal plane is a reflection of the living things of the prime plane, a manifestation of the spiritual forces of nature. For the catacombs to be located there means that the creatures within and structure itself must be tied spiritually to some unknown wilderness region in the physical world. This would imply that Urlach's powers were in fact far more rooted in harnassing and manipulating the forces of life than of death, as the construction of the catacombs could only have been accomplished by the creation of some new ecosystem on prime, which was then reflected upon the Ethereal. Since none but Kiakoda knew very much about the Ethereal plane, this must mean that the primary focus of Urlach was on the tangible effects of the catacombs on Prime. But what are they?

Secondly, the fact that their Ethereal reflection is tainted must mean that the poison of Kethuru has also afflicted the living ecosystem to which they are tied. It took the armies of Faethorn to hold back the taint when it hit Glomdoring, why weren't they concerned about the Catacombs? How and when did they actually become tainted? The physical region they are associated with could be Shallach, but there is nothing living there... why do the Catacombs still exist?


Anyway, I'm hoping that if the Spirit plane definition can be broadened a little if these 'under-planes' are implemented (focus people, focus) so that it will be realized the Catacombs are actually on that plane and we were just confused for a while, like with the Tosha pits. I understand why the bashing area was placed on Ethereal objectively, for convenience and the sake of mechanics, but a little adjustment would make things much more logical. Not necessary, and I'm certainly not put out by it, but it would be something I would request in a proposal dealing with planar implementations.