Munsia can't stick sap on me so I really don't see why sap is so overpowered

That sort of logic makes no sense. Daevos can't even come close to killing me with damage, does that mean that his damage isn't overpowered?

You have some twisted viewpoints sometimes. The method I use to cure sap is exactly the same as everyone else - cleansing. The method I use to cure afflictions that stop sap (paralyse, etc) is the same. Thus, there is consistency.

The amount of damage and wounds you take from Daevos is not consistent with most people. You take not only far less damage, but far less wounds. See the difference?

Care to post a log against a Blacktalon or Hartstone Druid then? Last I heard you just hex-lock Munsia even before she is able to do much to you. Curing sap in a full demesne against a good Druid is a different matter than being able to avoid it altogether with aeon/sleep combo. And didn't you lose to Ashteru before that made you come up with a way to avoid sap altogether?

I take far less damage and wounds precisely because of my class, you are better at avoiding things like instant-kills and sap because of the skills afforded to you by your class. What might be easier for you is a lot more difficult than someone else namely because their class don't have similar options. I can't for example peace or force someone that is pulling an instant kill on me. This is the reason why I think it's overpowered, namely because the same options of avoiding or curing is in fact -not- available to everyone.

Ashteru actually catalysed me making some reflexes to sap. After doing so, no one has sapped me and had it stick since then (of course, I previously had almost no reflexes for sap so that's understandable). I did a lot of testing with Munsia to try everything she could throw at me, and I cure sap damn well now.

Furthermore, Munsia is probably the second hardest person for me to spar, Geb being the first. She is utterly immune to Moonburst so all she has to do is sip mana with sparkleberry (not to mention mana regens plus stag totem healing mana). She also cures Hexes better than most people along with aeon. Using Stag Totem, they are utterly worthless and it is impossible for me to stack anything on her. She cures an allhex before I regain equilibrium

Munsia may have a log saved of our last FFA encounter. After fighting for over and hour, she heart stopped. It was boring, and I was getting no where. She sapped me a couple times, each time I cured it.

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And guess what, you are the one who included the misplaced example of Daevos and wounds. I don't have any skills that makes curing sap easier. I focus body in the same time as you do. I focus mind in the same time that you do. I cleanse with no more or less restrictions than you. Thus, there is nothing my class affords me that makes curing sap easier than your own.

There is however a HUGE difference in wounding and raw damage. The example you posted was skewed, don't try and instigate I am the one who said that. Everyone heals sap the same - unlike wounds and damage.

I will note for reference that I did use hex-lock on Munsia when she didn't have focus mind. She has had it for some time, however, and since then isn't fazed by Hexes at all.

I find it very difficult to stack anything with the constant paralyse/treelife. It makes my hex speed pretty much useless against her.

Since Munsia is having forum issues, she has asked me to post for her:



I'd just like to add in that you can't even discern if sap is or is not over powered from a combat log where someone didn't even attempt to properly cure it.

So basically, unless 3 druids jump you, you are entirely immune to an entire class of people. Poor druids. Give them some way to kill beyond stick sap, cudgel for 5 minutes?

Bah, sap is one of the skills in the game that is completely balanced. I can get out of sap most of the time, but not all the time, depending on what happens prior/after the sap. I dueled Ashteru yesterday a few times, and I got out of sap about 75% of the time.

Though a Blacktalon's sap is harder to escape than a Druids, do to some factors, but not by much.

yeah, I always start to panic when I get hit by knightafflictions, I just need to spar them more often. I think I only got it once or twice in at the point I usually sap, so 1 second before the demesne hit, hm....

And you always tumbled out after you got hit, I think.

That is the smart move to move if you have some other afflictions you need to cure before you can stand up and cast cleanse. It can also allow the person to keep tumbling until he or she moves out of the demesne, which will give him or her an even better chance of escaping sap since no more passive hindering effects are hitting. That probably is especially important these days, since druids are able to immediately sap again right after you cleanse the first application, or ecologists can stack mud into the mix perhaps slowing the cleaning process ( I am not sure if curing mud or sap is random, or in a set order).

Mud is always cured before sap.
And it was Igasho tumble...if I would've wanted, I could've gone to the next room and meld before he was out of my one room demesne.

He can just keep tumbling too. Tumbling and curing until he can stand up and use the cleanse enchantment.