Not really mate, I can get out of sap under any circumstance...unless its probably Munsia's, as I've seen her tactic involving sap, and its quite nasty.

The only reason you stuck it on me was because I was out of melancholic and black lung was keeping me off balance along with the dreamweaving motes.

and I can kill you faster than letting you tumble out and heal up, what's your point?

Seriously Ialie, no.


Ixion saw fit to quote Gregori on forums, talking crap about his own communemates, but in an ooc way, so it's fine.



Well, as you already fight alongside Mags in game, talk crap about your own communemates over Bellators (yes, it's been repeated back to me), I assumed that you were plotting a change.

Oh and, I'm not responsible for you, once you step outside of the commune. Amaru's jumped YOU and LAYSUS. You know the reason why. I don't always agree with him and you know it. I've been on dial-up for almost a week now, can barely stay connected, much less run to YOUR aid, when you could care less about anyone else as you hunt for days and ignore your commune. Where the hell is Gregori when Malicia gets teamed by Ravlok, Daevos, Torak, Athana, Kaervas or whoever else that decides to join in? Oh, he's on Astral.

What was it you said in another thread? In regards to the Serens that die to Mags? 'We bring it on ourselves'. You bring crap on yourself, in game.

I don't 'whine' to my guild, trust me. A lot of people don't like that you see fit to come down on me, when Amaru gives you a problem. It's rather cowardly. Instead of taking your issue up with him, you'd slander a long-time loyal member of the Serenwilde. Malicia is not Amaru.

They also don't approve of a Regent that runs around fighting alongside tainted long time org enemies. Isn't Ixion enemied to the Moonspirit and Lisaera as well? Didn't Gregori toss Narice out of the commune recently for simply being in a group of Mags? Nice.

Sorry for the hijack, folks.

Anyhow, Yuniko did a great job today and I was incredibly impressed.

Transmigration takes 28 power, lich takes 20 power. Hmm... for 8 more power, you can be assured that you will *never, ever pray*, because there's no way to stop it, no way to trap you, no way to keep you from transmigrating. You will NEVER lose ANY experience EVER again as long as you keep your pet in a safe place (for example, in a manse that only you have access to with sigils as it can't be tracked to any more from other manses).

Whereas Lich, if a summon (or wisp!) is started on you before you die, will cause your soul to still be summoned and you will begin liching right on top of an enemy group. Hmm. Not to mention, if the lich is raiding a village and there's a sigil at the entrance, the lich can't get out in soul form, while the transmigrating person *always will*.

Narice was tossed out of the commune for healing Magnagorans while they were killing Gregori.


I've never honestly seen a post with so much hidden truth in it. Its like you left out all the important parts and twisted it to make it all seem so nasty.

My poor little perception is skewed now.

Why would someone do such a thing.
Why? Why?

*sniffle*

I am so lost now.

What ever happened to telling the truth and meaning it.

Wrong, and Wrong, just like you were mistaken when you said I have -ever- raided Faethorn while I have never been enemied there.

I went to Gregori for political reasons, which included killing Amaru who did indeed slay members of your very own commune Malicia. I'd ask that you not suggest fallacies.

Amaru is jumping me because the Moonhart Circle refused to unenemy him. Personal grudge? Nope.. Commune issue? Yup.

I have never once told you to run to my aid. I do however find it funny that when he is killing Seren he is with you all the time, and your pat answer is "he is my husband and it is not my problem."

Ixion is enemied to the Commune and Moondancers, that is all. Sorry, there try again. Nor have I been running around with commune enemies fighting by their sides. Something that... golly gee..
Enemies of the Alliance of Serenwilde:
Amaru
Total: 1
Can't be said the same for you. Quite a habit you have of it in fact, but then enemies are only enemies as long as they are not married or related to you.

Ixion came to Bondero Bay to kill Amaru because he was being scryed by Amaru constantly. I never said I was "fighting alongside Ixion.", I said Amaru ran away as soon as he hit my demesne, then Ixion showed up and he ran away again.

EDIT:: oh and seriously.. get your facts straight... Narice was kicked out for aiding Magnagorans in killing a Seren, namely myself. Not because she was just "with them"

Sorry, but Gregori owned you all fair and square.

AKk, ugly attacks hyjacking the thread. Mind if we get back to Sap talk? People keep saying that's there's lots of ways to deal with it. I wouldn't mind hearing a few.

I do agree that sap isn't balanced BUT is the focus of druid combat. So long as there's ways to fight against it in a demesne then I guess there's nothing to do but to leave it as is.

If you want to start becomming a big mouth now Ashteru, then we're going to duel again and I'm going to show you that your 300 damage cudgel really really can't kill me before I'm done tumbling. Like I said, I lost because I ran out of melancholic and couldn't cure the black lung.

Ialie- When Narice was tossed out, she was terribly upset and apparently -confused- when questioned. She didn't realize (or so she says) that she was doing anything wrong. Gregori didn't offer her any due process. Just threw her out. Now, I'm as intolerant as most, so I really don't care. I assumed that Gregori was the anti-taint sort.

But over SEG, when I logged in, he was bragging about Ixion coming to his side. Thank God for logs, eh?

(Serenwilde Elite Guard): You say, "We fight with Mags now?""

(Serenwilde Elite Guard): Laysus (from the Prime Material Plane) says, "We've fought with Celestian commune enemies before, why not mags?""

(Serenwilde Elite Guard): Gregori (from the Prime Material Plane) says, "When I am being jumped by Celestians I am willing to take the allies that come."" That ally, being Ixion.

(Serenwilde Elite Guard): You say, "Tainted Mags? There's a difference, I'd
say."

Yeah, it's only okay to fight with enemies when they're defending Faethorn from a team of Mags.

Ixion, you've been a part of those groups in Faethorn. You probably avoided attacking a fae, but you've raided. The Moondancers enemy anyone on Faethorn, with a raiding party.

This is really getting out of hand, I will admit. I'm just upset that things are sort of falling apart for me and SW. Malicia's hardcore anti-taint. She's killed Marsu in defense of SW territories and would attack Amaru if he raided. He's never raided. He's jumped Laysus -once- (who I tried to summon away to safety) and he's killed Gregori, who kills merian or something and tries to keep the rift open. All hearsay. I question Amaru and that's what he tells me.

I didn't mean my cudgel. I talk about my instakill, boy. Caw, caw, shove, swoop, dead. Buhbye.

whats with all the flames people? lets calm down and have group sing along... mm... seriously, there is no need to get so upset over such silly things... O_O..

Sap is fine, because it's the only way a druid is going to kill anyone decent. Transmigration however, is not fine.. it's God-mode. How the hell can anyone justify a skill that prevents you from ever losing experience?

At the start of Hunting, Lisaera literally said Transmigration is terribly unbalanced, go look for the quote.. has it been balanced since then? No, it's still God-mode.

I would suggest talking to someone who is not a known liar then. Oh like Ekard, Asmoth, Collvan, Lisaera.

I spent 15 hours trying to close the rift yesterday, but due to a broken quest mob it cannot be closed. I can tell you full well who is keeping it open and it isn't a Seren. I also have not hunted Merian since I promised Iraen I would not hunt them.

Lastly, for all Amaru's pointing fingers and spreading lies... what has he done to help Celest? Not a damn thing. Case closed.

The only chance of sap being overpowered is in one vs one combat, which Lusternia is not specifically tailored for. In groups, and a lot of people forget this, cleanse can be used on allies.

However, in one vs one it can be a horrible tactic due to the fierce nature of a druid's combatative skills that stick( Haha, pun. ) with sap so well, but fall apart without it. Near everything a Druid can do is so easily removed when unsapped, so it's one of the few methods Druids take.

1. Carry a cleanse enchantment.
2. Keep levitation up.
3. If you have focus spirit, cure tree bane.
4. If you have tumble, use it if you are too afflicted to stand and use the cleanse enchantment. You can then cure while on the move. If you don’t have tumble, then work through the curing as fast as possible, concentrating on getting yourself in a position where you can stand and use the cleanse enchantment. This also brings me to the last suggestion.
5. While you are sapped (or have aeon), use the server messages as your cue that your previous command has been successful and you are now able to send in a new command.

Something I do is turn off my curing, but keep my affliction tracking on. I know all of the added afflictions I am receiving while I am curing sap, so I know if I have been given a new affliction that could hinder me from standing and curing sap.

Now HOLD on there! Isn't one of the major statements the Powers that Be make is that the combat system aims to be balanced in single combat since group combat is impossible to balance out? True, Lusternia IS group combat related, but the point still stands that it's combat system is NOT group related (yes that does seem odd to me too)

Oh well. By how you sound overall, you MUST be in a group to fight a demesne user, either because of sap, the demesne itself, or other issues. Oh well, I can handle that, so long as no one touches the fact that warriors are built and attack like tanks.

Of course Mages/Wiccans are still in need of something, but that's another topic alltogther.

Thank you. That's what I've been looking for (though jeesh, Spirit AND tumble..blah). #5 in particular made me think of something for my system: If I can actualy get around to WORKING on it again.

Focus Spirit, that I know of, doesn't cure Treebane as a demesne effect, only as a personal effect.