Sap is not overpowered in one on one combat under most circumstances. It can be argued that it maybe overpowered when used by a dreamweaver who sets up his or her demesne to not use any effects that cause damage. Falling asleep while working to cure sap is extremely nasty to deal with. Even so, it can be done if you possess the ability to tumble. Without that ability, I would say almost anyone would be hard pressed to deal with sap under the circumstances I mentioned.

You can cure the afflictions given by the room/demesne effects though. Therefore, using focus spirit to cure the affliction of treebane (or if you prefer the statement: given by treebane) is possible and does help.

Sap is damn nice, especially with a timed demesne and at its current power cost. It really doesn't take much to vine/sap/vine cudgel while letting your demesne does the rest.

Silvanus is back?

Yeah. I had to restore my system with an older version becaue it got messed accidentally. Yay for funny echoes.

This is hillarious. The sheer fact she was able to kill you with only sap is your fault only. She didnt even use mud for double cleanse so you have no reason to complain at all here.

Treebane, as a demesne effect, simply casts it on all enemies currently in the demesne. It is not recurring, if I cast it and a second later ixion walks into my demesne, I'd need to recast it.

Gregori, Malicia - shut up. Go argue this crap in game. You've an issue with it? Deal with it there. Not here. It's doing no one any good.

And in Kalodan's eyes, and possibly Gregori's, Taint is JUST AS BAD as Light. They're both corruptive and abominable.

I would like just to point out that SAP + CUDGEL is plain wrong!
When you are sapped you cant use clot so your bleeding is rising in extreme fast. Its wrong!
No blademaster could do that so fast.

Whining about sap is stupid. Make our cudgel do more then 500 damage to the 700 to the average warrior and we will talk.

Nice reiteration.

Blade master can easily have you bleeding that much that fast. Hell Scalped left uncured for just a couple ticks will get you that far. The fault was not in Sap, or in Sap + Cudgel, the fault was in Ixion not being prepared for a fight with a druid and he lost because of it.

I remember when you could post an interesting log and people would respond with helpful suggestions, good-natured ribbing, or praise.

Oh wait.

yea your right it could cause that much, but guess what it's a million times easier to cure scalp then sap plain and simple.

Try clotting when sapped

Yea don't ever cure it just use clot so your mana can be kicked in the crotch

If you feel sap is a little strong, Ixion, what would suggest changes? Bearing in mind that as many Druids will attest, sap is essentially the only way of killing someone.

Not for blacktalon. They just need to stack up bleeding so a knight wastes below 1/4 mana clotting then insta them.

Look at that log again, if Ixion's sap curing would have worked, he never would have got that kind of bleeding. The fact remains, it was Ixion's own system that messed up. You can't blame someone elses skills for your own bad curing.

Now Ixion is using an older system, he said why he messed up the sap curing, that's fine. It doesn't mean Sap + Cudgel was to powerful, it means that bad curing is going to favour the offensive side.

If I have bad curing on Scalped, that doesn't make that afflicition to powerful, it means I need to fix my curing.

EDIT:: There are also countless threads on the forums talking about Druid skills and every single warrior has used the comment "Druids kill with bleeding damage and sap."

So now we have someone killing with bleeding damage and sap... and lo and behold.. the warriors are mad because we can kill with the means we are provided.

Do you guys have to call eachother names? Seriously, it's really depressing to come to these forums and have the first thing I read be 'so and so is a tard' or ' you're such an idiot noob' or, my personal condescending favourite, 'nuff said'.

Grow up for sake! If you want to complain, fine, but cut out the immature bullcrap.

Kalodan, shut up. You come to post, telling us to stop arguing 10 years after it ended. Way to try to get something started again. Get over yourself.


Back on topic-

Sap- make it 8 power again.