So ooc clans are acceptable, but ooc tells between two people isn't? You got me confused.

OOC tells shouldn't be used IG.
Things on OOC clans shouldn't be used IG.
If you mischan something from an OOC channel, to an IC channel, then it can, and most likely would, be used against you.


That's a summary of what I feel is being said in this thread.

That's pretty much the whole of it, yes.

I will amend, though, that OOC tells should be marked as such (OOC:). Otherwise, the divine listening to you would have no way of knowing whether that comment about destroying their temple was an OOC jest or an IC declaration of war.


Also to amend: Channels that are always considered IC (says, CT, 95% of all channels in Lusternia) can always be used IG (since marking it "OOC:" is illegal).

My own view of the situation:

Tells can be OOC or IC.
OOC tells should not be taken against your IC character.
OOC clan chatter should not be taken against your IC character.

It's difficult to make a divide between IC and OOC tells, however, which is why I try to talk to people IC using tells, and OOC using messages.

Tells can go either way; usually, when I'm sending an OOC tell to someone whom I don't know well enough to talk OOCly regularly, I clearly mark them as such. Using OOC tells against someone ICly deliberately and knowingly is at least a faux pas. Using someone you say through OOC means like the forums or the IRC channel against you ICly is a Bad Thing and quite possibly issueable. Even though I treat both messages and tells as being both IC and OOC, I assume tells are IC by default, and messages are OOC by default.

Tells are normally an IC mechanic, but it is allowed to be used ooc because it's just between two people. When divine spy on your tells and they are obviously ooc they will not punish you for them. Also it is not always wise using ooc tells when in the same room with a god, or in their fulcrux.

And I believe the same thing applies as to OOC clans, if anything on this thing gets taken IC, there is a big chance that if you issue, you'll lose because the IC/OOC part isn't obvious. So like mentioned before it's entirely better to use msn or aim or whatever else to talk to people oocly.

It's entirely dependant on the situation and different circumstances would warrant different responses. If you want a clear answer, you should present a hypothetical situation so there can be a clear understanding of what went on.

If you're sitting in a room with Raezon visible, and you send a tell:

tell ardrak ooc: Raezon sucks, I should take his place

The simple application of (ooc) to the tell doesn't waive it's ability to be reacted to. Does Lusternia have any listening skills, ie the ability to listen to tells? If so, with such an in game application, you have to be wary of such. Thus, why there's the ability to message someone.

I thought messages were there to get in touch with a person who might not be in the realms. Most of my messages are ic.

As there are no ic mindreading abilities (listening in to tells), tells could be considered entirely ooc unless the two parties decide to communicate icly through tells.

Lusternia is an rp enouraged game. By default, -anything- you do in the game is considered IC. You are not allowed to speak ooc on channels (excluding private clans) and tells are by default considered IC as well.

Now, if you want to and your partner as well, nothing stops you from talking ooc. However, since the standard of the game is IC and not OOC.. Personally I'd consider every tell I get IC unless the person states it's ooc.

And I have to agree with Ialie there, you are responsible for anything you put in. IC or OOC. That's why I -always- tell people to hop on AIM or give me their e-mail or anything if I want to talk to them about something that could get Aesyra or me in trouble if I did it in game. I don't even use the messages here sometimes.. that's how paranoid I am.

How are private tells different from things said over private clans?

No, Lusternia is an RP enforced game. Just me splitting hairs.

heres what I do if I need to relay OOC info in a tell:
tell (person) OOC (message)

Don't say anything that might be used against you. That's my personal rule, doesn't matter if it's OOC or IC.

I think this pretty much answers the question.

Thanks, Gregori!

Only if you count "RP" as "nothing but staying in character"!

We just don't enforce it well enough *peers at the admin*

Seriously, staying in character is roleplay, no matter wether you're taking part in a plot that can change the universe as we know it, or tending to your garden.

In ooc tells or messages I always use an 'ooc' flag or surround my tell in parantheses. Then again, I only speak OOCly on a regular basis with people I know well, so I don't have to worry too much.

Same. I don't think the admins mind a little chatter here and there, either.

Honestly it shouldn't be up for so much debate. When the roleplay scenes come, you make it breathe. You make it vivid, you live it like you're your character - that's what puts Lusternia above any other hack and slash session between a bunch of pencil-necks with metallica t-shirts. (No offense to anyone) But that dosn't mean we have to be severe about it. Not everybody enjoys being IC 100% of the time, occasionally they want to be a lighthearted and just chatter, while that shouldn't be on open channels I don't see the problem with chit-chat between friends in tells. There's a point where roleplay starts being an artistic, recreational creation and then you're just too tired to be too much into that. As you said, roleplay-encouraged. Not roleplay-enforced.



Don't fix it if it ain't broken.

And that's why all my ooc tells or a good 80% of them were in good old spanish, wich Divines probably won't bother understanding.
Otherwise, and considering who was the target of said messages, they would laugh too much for their own wellbeing