I bet you feel like the bigger person now, Iridiel. I'm happy for you.
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A thread of sarcasm isnt healthy
Malicia2006-01-07 19:36:06
Sarcasm is contagious! Quiet you.
Iridiel2006-01-07 19:40:24
See, Mali, I made you feel happy, I am not such a bad person. Besides I managed a post from you without personal attack on it!
Viravain2006-01-07 19:42:45
Just as a friendly reminder - personal attacks against other players will result in a warning. There are a good deal of people who cannot afford for this to happen, so it would be beneficial to yourselves, if not everyone else, for a level of civility to be maintained.
Murphy2006-01-07 22:55:35
Damn, Hajamin was one of my favourite things about lusternia.
He is the only elder God i've known to date who doesn't mind listening to the players and presenting their case to the 'bosses' eg the champion helm issue, and other things that sometimes need to be brought to the attention quickly.
It's sad because I know how much he loved his job and lusternia, i can only wish him the best of luck in the future.
Terenas2006-01-08 01:16:50
Some people should stop derailing threads, if you want to talk about yourself, go make a new thread.
Shaeden2006-01-09 02:59:49
Good Roleplayer, I guess he was a good coder to, as he was always releasing stuff. Alas, Mr. Hajamin, you will be missed by this one. And that is all I have to say.
Narsrim2006-01-09 05:49:30
I'd like to end in this thread by saying goodbye.
As a member of Hajamin's Order, I along with the rest of my Order spoke and met with Hajamin IC on nearly a daily basis. He was very inspiring and pushed all of His followers to achieve. Almost every member has held a GM, GC, or GA position at this point. Amongst those, there are city leaders, the first demigoddess/avatar, etc. There were no followers, only leaders.
Aside from this, Hajamin had a great sense of humor. He was a great coder, and one of the most memorable persons I have encountered in my IRE experience.
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As for Hajamin's Order, everyone has decided to keep things moving along. Aesyra and Lazul can induct so we will continue as we did for many years: maintaing our agenda, building our funds, and training new persons for entry.
Although some may not be aware, Lord Hajamin's Divine Temple recently has been open for over a week. It is the creation of a great deal of hard work and energy from the Order. I was told it is currently the largest divine temple, and we have the funds for major expansions in the future (if possible) to make it even more.
With any luck, Aestra will flying over soon and checking her very own golden stable!
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For anyone in the Aspirant clan who has OOC doubts about whether or not the Order can function, it can. Don't lose hope.
Lisaera2006-01-09 13:10:48
Just to add to what Narsrim has said, the two clans related to Hajamin's Order have been passed from his leadership to those of the players he wanted to lead them, so if they choose to keep the following functional, that is their choice.
Bau2006-01-09 15:05:42
QUOTE(Iridiel @ Jan 6 2006, 11:45 PM)
And I still wonder, why an inactive Divine still has an order and orderpowers and Amaru has a Divine Order all for himself without a Divine watching over it?
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I've been in charge of an inactive Divine's Order since April. Why does it not make sense for Auseklis to still have an Order and someone to lead it. He said he had to wander. He is the Wanderer. I know he's busy with stuff RL and has no way to come back, so why push things further and remove what little he has left should he find a way to return?
Be sensible, please.
QUOTE(Phred @ Jan 7 2006, 01:49 AM)
I think it might be dangerous leaving an Order without any sort of divine intervention.
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Again... why? Can anyone truly say Bau has abused her position as OH in Auseklis' Order? From time to time, she'll try and ensure growth in the Order (I apologise to whoever sent me that message the other day if you're reading this, I'll get to it, I promise), but not once has she used any privilege other than that to erect shrines or patron new members (Both of which she had permission to do, and were parting gifts from Auseklis).
Please don't assume that because one player is someone you don't like or trust with responsibility, that all of us are. The only way Bau is leaving the Order is if she receives a Divine boot (or tree stump) assisting her, or if it's dissolved. (And I'm pretty sure from previous responses on here that the latter isn't going to happen. Come back, Auseklis! )
There's not much more to be said about Hajamin. On the bright side, he can wipe his brow in relief that he'll no longer be getting mistells about all my random shop items I'm trying to get
Munsia2006-01-09 15:16:59
QUOTE(Bau @ Jan 9 2006, 11:05 AM)
I've been in charge of an inactive Divine's Order since April. Why does it not make sense for Auseklis to still have an Order and someone to lead it. He said he had to wander. He is the Wanderer. I know he's busy with stuff RL and has no way to come back, so why push things further and remove what little he has left should he find a way to return?
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this is a bit different I think then Terentia and Hajamins issues isnt it? Like.. He might come back, right? He wasnt fired or anything was he?
Narsrim2006-01-09 15:19:55
QUOTE(munsia @ Jan 9 2006, 11:16 AM)
this is a bit different I think then Terentia and Hajamins issues isnt it? Like.. He might come back, right? He wasnt fired or anything was he?
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Hajamin as character could come back. Simply because the person behind a divine is fired, the character isn't just "fired" too.
Bau2006-01-09 15:27:42
Yes, but I was referring to the 'inactive Divine' in general comment. Even if they were fired, unless there is an event to destroy said god, one must assume they intend to bring them back at some point.
Iridiel2006-01-09 16:45:41
Leave the order. Leave the ordermembers. But remove the agressive/defensive powers (regenerations, resses , worldburn, etc...) or put a divine to watch over it. Let the followers of the Divine who's away to gather essence and adore him and work on the RP and stuff, even induct new ones. In the worst of cases when your divine is back he'll be all powerful and happy to reward the ordermembers who were faithful.
Specially in cases when the Divine is out all of a sudden and cannot make sure they leave a responsible person as OH or gave him/her instructions.
Malicia2006-01-09 16:49:22
*yawn*
This thread isn't about orders with inactive Gods. Stop speaking as if what Hajamin did was for the best. No one abused anything but him.
Elgar2006-01-09 17:46:03
As I understand it the divine's essence pool is still about (eg. infinite worldburn will be difficult if you don't offer enough). And really other gods have been inactive for so long and I haven't seen much abuse of order powers.
And really if someone really abuses order powers in an order that is without active god, I think you can suspect administrative actions to be taken (and maybe IC actions by Estarra or another Elder god that was friendly to the inactive one).
Iridiel taking away offensive powers from a warrior god's order seems a bit odd. especially since Hajamin was very fond of the shrine defense systems while he was active. (and I don't really know how you can abuse wordburn that way. Hajamin already approved of the shrine defensive system aswell as placing shrines on nil for offensive purposes. If you want to counter it, defile the shrine and place your own god's shrines)
Brylle2006-01-09 17:52:36
QUOTE(geb @ Jan 6 2006, 06:22 PM)
I am just sorry he overly involved himself into the game side of things. He got too close to what was going on and allowed it to cloud his better judgement. It is sad that it happened to him, but I can see the good this can do if others learn from his mistake.
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A few people have wanted to know why Hajamin did what he did and I wanted to set a few little nasty thoughts to rest that seem to be popping up (not to imply you're saying that above, I'm more expanding on what was said above).
Hajamin did what he did because he thought it was necessary for the sake of the game and for the sake of the player base. Whether or not you agree with the reasoning that led him to this conclusion is a different argument and not one that's really for us to be having.
I just wanted to make it clear that it wasn't petty, personal revenge against an individual player as has been implied in a few posts here. Certainly the course of action he chose to follow to try and fix what he saw as a problem, and his subsequent knee-jerk denial of it were mistakes in judgement on his part, but please don't attribute personal malice to his actions. At least give him that much dignity.
It's not that often that individuals have to suffer not only being fired for a serious misjudgement but the public ridicule of people who don't really know the whole story but are jumping to conclusions about it.
Considering Hajamin's overall performance, responsiveness, coding acumen, and contributions to the RP of the realm, the Schadenfreude (look it up) that I've seen exhibited here says some pretty unpleasant things about some of the people posting.
I just hope that we can all learn a very good lesson about taking responsibility for our actions and owning our mistakes if they come back to haunt us. As was stated before, it was the coverup and the lie that got him fired, not the over-reaching of his authority.
Rhysus2006-01-09 18:26:43
QUOTE(Brylle @ Jan 9 2006, 12:52 PM)
A few people have wanted to know why Hajamin did what he did and I wanted to set a few little nasty thoughts to rest that seem to be popping up (not to imply you're saying that above, I'm more expanding on what was said above).
Hajamin did what he did because he thought it was necessary for the sake of the game and for the sake of the player base. Whether or not you agree with the reasoning that led him to this conclusion is a different argument and not one that's really for us to be having.
I just wanted to make it clear that it wasn't petty, personal revenge against an individual player as has been implied in a few posts here. Certainly the course of action he chose to follow to try and fix what he saw as a problem, and his subsequent knee-jerk denial of it were mistakes in judgement on his part, but please don't attribute personal malice to his actions. At least give him that much dignity.
It's not that often that individuals have to suffer not only being fired for a serious misjudgement but the public ridicule of people who don't really know the whole story but are jumping to conclusions about it.
Considering Hajamin's overall performance, responsiveness, coding acumen, and contributions to the RP of the realm, the Schadenfreude (look it up) that I've seen exhibited here says some pretty unpleasant things about some of the people posting.
I just hope that we can all learn a very good lesson about taking responsibility for our actions and owning our mistakes if they come back to haunt us. As was stated before, it was the coverup and the lie that got him fired, not the over-reaching of his authority.
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Hajamin contributed a lot. I know him from a long time back. Unfortunately, he lied. You can't work as a paid employee of a company, make changes to the company's product without informing anyone of those changes and specifically against the grain of common acceptance, then lie to try to cover it up. It just cannot be forgiven. If nothing else, taking responsibility for the actions would have granted some respite, but his actions, whether panicked or premeditated, show an intolerable lack of respect for the chain of command.
Unknown2006-01-09 18:32:49
Interesting how everyone's suddenly coming back out of inactivity, we should fire gods more often.
Daganev2006-01-09 19:26:58
Umm, vacation is over and the holiday season is just about wound up.. atleast thats why I'm back.
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