How do you justify any bug that affects skills ICly? Like when Crow Swoop could insta kill just about anyone regardless of their health or mana or anything? Was there a storyline to explain it? No. It just was.

An Elder god cannot touch another Gods order or personal powers. It just doesn't happen - Hajamin, the elder god, had no possible way of muddling Terentia's order powers.

If she was so far gone into the void, however, which he seems to have gone into to find her, it is plausible the distance would be too far for Her order to be able to connect to Her essence, thus, Her order powers.

Okay. Before this gets out of hand.

The removal of Terentia's Order Head's powers was done by a coder.

This is not an in-character action, nor is the in-character nature of this act a matter for discussion.

I hope that everyone understands that and your actions reflect it in-game.

As for Hajamin's departure, it is unfortunate but unavoidable, as has been said before.

Sure, here's a half-witted story, but atleast it is one, that during the bring-abouts, pardon I don't know the whole story of Crow's return, he was a deal more powerful than thought and skills he imparted onto his own were effected thusly for a short time, or did he come back vastly weak? Perhaps his empowerment to a stronger state, then, was an imbalance in the world only attainable for a short time. Came as he is now? Overjoyed with his return. I don't know, really, but I'm sure there's something IC that could be done about it. Only, that's a pretty low-scale thing, a bug.

Hajamin was an influencial character to many, in different ways, I personally hated him IC and thought much of what he did destroyed the RP of Celest. I found myself questioning if the administration really wanted to ever be like it was, but to find out the person behind him is questionable provokes thoughts he couldn't properly RP - Maybe I'm vastly confused on what kind of God Hajamin was suppose to be, perhaps people who play IRE need to stop depending on Gods so much.

Statements from Aesyra on her about everything being second to Hajamin, even the Holy Supernals to the faith she swears to ICly, makes me think he's a twisted person.

But, you know, more than a forum thread would be nice.



See, I thought Amaru got his powers back after awhile. Guess not, but that's a good story as any! Her Shrines crumbled, too, right? I've been inactive too long.

Shikari, i bet you could be nice Hajamin too.
Estarra give him Hajamin account after some time. He can play for both Shikari and Hajamin

Raf give them a bit of time to deal with it, yeah? They just lost a coder and had to fire a friend.

Kinda disappointed to read this. Can't do stuff like that and expect to get away with it. Celest REALLY seems to have bad luck with Divine. *sighs* Like we needed any more crap at this time, heh. Ah well, we'll deal with it as best we can. I can kinda see why he did it, to prevent Amaru possibly worldburning Celest, but that really should have been handled IC. Time to go pick up the pieces.

On an OOC note, I am sad to see it happen as I didn't mind Hajamin, but to be honest I am not hugely surprised that SOMEONE was messing with things behind the scenes - Magnagora isn't full of totally paranoid people and I guess this lends credence to the fact that we had been complaining about things suddenly disappearing or changing on us in the middle of major events for no reason.

Considering the state of the gorgog quest I'd say a lot of it could be down to bugs rather than malice.

Still.

As much as I did not like Hajamin for the way he carried himself over the realm.... I am rather speechless... I am sorry for those who lost their fivine but, really, he had it comming.

I say we stage a trans-IRE hunt and steal us a couple 'o nice healthy coders.. We'll start with Imp, I hear they don't use their anyhow.. *duck*

Most of the Lusternia code is complex and thus riddled with bugs, it is only natural that some of these bugs would impact some organisations more than others. (If you saw the inhuman amount of bugs we get each day you would understand). Please rest assured that no one has been nor will be messing with the Magnagora code, as this manipulation is the exception rather than the rule.

That said, Hajamin's departure came completely out of the blue and like most of the staff, I cannot really grasp it yet. Yes, I suppose you could say I am upset. For that reason, I would take it very kindly if such accusations as these would not be voiced. Hajamin was fired for one action, this does not mean that he is suddenly guilty of manipulating all instances in which celest stood to lose something.

Hajamin was around a lot and an integrated presence of Lusternia for many of us, especially since most of the staff get along really well outside of their roleplay. Lusternia sure is going to feel quiet for a while.

Elcyrion

I didn't ever really intereact with Hajamin. But I do know that he seemed to do a lot of work coding. I'm sure his loss will have an impact.

But at least everyone gets to look forward to a new God appearing right? I imagine IRE will attempt to find someone to replace him.

I wouldnt mind if someone would atke over Hajamin account. He could be back from void, this could explain his change in behavior. Maybe he could come back with changed Terentia as well, maybe they have to fight with something there and this could make them close. Loving brother and sister?

Just an idea.

Now what? Is he going to come back in a while, or are we going to have a THIRD god of light?

Well, the players could always attempt to crawl into the Transcendal Fulcrux and seek him out.


Now THAT would be interesting.

I think perhaps, however, something should be done when a god is inactive for long periods of time. Maybe something like a "Divine Senchal" should be assigned to a compatible god for an order, just like you have consulates for organizations.

My fear is that shrines to inactive gods might end up being abused by order members who twist the purpose of the order to suit their own needs. I suspect Amaru did this with Terentia's order.

Just a thought--not excusing what Hajamin did, but it might be something to think about.

It is a dreadful shame to see the end of Hajamin... but I'm also worried about how this will impact on the balance of power in the Basin. Celest is already -hideously- divided politically... and without a single Divine to set a direction things will only get worse... a weaker Celest will simply make the game less fun...

Aye, there are bugs out there, some worse then others, and some that effect city/commune wide quests of moderate importance, it doesn't help any of us to point to divine malice as the cause of it.

I would attribute it to a small playerbase creating a small admin population that is then over-taxed and only gets through bugs a rate much slower then come in.

Lusternia is changing, advancing, growing, and the nature of such brings in new bugs and new problems to work out. (even minor changes to a skill can completely mess it up, as I've seen personally in the past)

...and though I'm misstaken I'm pretty sure one of the Higher Ups said sometime in the recent past, a bit before Ecology came out, that the more people tweeking the code the more problems pop up and slower everything goes.

Old bugs will eventually get corrected (as magnagora is not the only org with such grievances of that nature), just as, IC, His order will find some way to cope with this.

They had to do what was done; seeing as he was doing a job and getting paid for it.

...and no that doesn't make the current various situations IC and OOC, RP, coding, bugs, and whatnot any better, if anything it makes it worse in the short term... Things however will change, they'll find someone else to start coding full time, Celest will fill it's void somehow, and Hajamin's order members will follow in the path of other gods whom have gone inactive permintally or temporarily, and deal with it. Heck we might even get some interesting RP out of it if the other Elder gods possition themselves accordingly in wake of Hajamin entering the void.

Lies! Azzie is a depressed wreck without you!