Hi Zenji! Come back!

Yes. Hajamin is also guilty of the comming of the soulless, global warning, the last 3 or 4 hurricanes, inequal distribuition of sex life and wealth and anything else you might find failing in your life.

I can say he was one of the persons who did more for Lusternia, and from what I've read the Gods are all pretty upset about all this stuff, so please let all those who appreciated him grieve in peace instead of starting to talk about being a coder, or he being to blame for all the things you don't like on lusternia, or the nasty views of your char IC about him (I guess at least 2/3 of the basin should hate him IC).
Thanks for your comprehension
And I still wonder, why an inactive Divine still has an order and orderpowers and Amaru has a Divine Order all for himself without a Divine watching over it?

I'd say that this is because having people's gods go inactive, while uncontrollable, is pretty depressing for said people, and removing their orders is really just kicking them while they're down.

Which is why I recommend the senchal or custodian rule, where another gods keeps tabs on the order powers--doesn't take over or try to lead them a different way, but just watches to prevent abuse based on the gods creed, etc.

Then go and add a Divine watching over the Order. Don't leave a player to have a free order all for himself, instead of just going and actually being DEVOTED to the divine.
Anyway, that was a hickjack and I apologize

I don't think that's a good idea Phred. Not only is it creating more work and blurring the lines between the gods' different personalities, but it places limitations on someone's ability to roleplay as they wish. If Amaru wants to sidetrack the teachings of Terentia, why shouldn't be be able to? It's viable and reasonable to assume it could happen and perhaps one day he will face consequences from Her, but the RP police should not step in to stop him.

What a smart fishy.

Interesting how some of you are implying that what Hajamin did was for the best, because for some reason, Amaru was intending to worldburn the entire world with the one or two shrines remaining. His privs were stripped shortly after he welcomed a few new Terentians. This happened weeks ago. He never did much with the order, but actively recruited in order to try and push her ideals and erase the memory of the Terentia of old. *shiver*

Sarapis put it straight. He messed up in another realm. He messed up here and now, he's gone.

I suppose that what he might have added to Lusternia doesn't outweigh any illegal actions performed as a coder.

I thought he was cool, but his RP was so.. what's the word? He was always informal with me, when we'd speak. It was like conversing with another player and not a God. Maybe it's just me.

I only feel bad for the ordermembers of Hajamin, that depended on him a great deal.

(In response to Silvanus' deleted questions from yesterday) I just don't know!

No, just basing it on my own experience with him. Getting enemied to Terentia for a mistake on my part, without ever acting myself against the god--and then being jumped while asleep at the same time, plus reactions on this forum when I wanted to undo my Karma curse, and seeing posts of him jumping other people, and seeing how he's been divinely punished a few times (peaced, magotted, banned from these forums, etc).

If you read my post, I'm not at all saying Hajamin was right--far from it, he behaved in an unethical manner and lost his job--but my point was to suggest that there might be a need to prevent Order abuse from Inactive gods.

I do hope the players, though, don't try to take out Hajamin's firing on Amaru though, since that part isn't fair to him.

This is a bit messy anyway you slice it.

It sort of seems like that's exactly what you're doing, Phred.

If you were order enemied, so what? Most Magnagorans are enemied to Terentia. She was inactive, but he still acted as her servant.

It isn't customary practice to strip order privs from an OH because the God/Goddess goes inactive. Many IRE orders have thrived without an active Divine.


P.S. Let's not start whining about reasons why we've been enemied to Orders. I was enemied to Fain just to worldburn me during an influencing session.

I agree with Phred here; the Divine Powers come from the Divine. If the Divine can't tell their Powers are being used, how is the channeling between the Divine and Mortal happening? Even though I like the idea of someone corrupting the order of an inactive god (If it's roleplayed right) the possibility of retribution from gods that are aligned with the inactive god should exist.

If it's all ic, I suppose. I don't think he had abused any of his order privs, save for welcoming new members. Abuse!

The Divine permit their followers to use their powers.. they don't have to be there for it.. furthermore, I don't entirely understand how Amaru wasn't fulfilling Terentia's goals. People are frequently enemied to Gods for strategic reasons - this doesn't imply any abuse of divine privilege, because the Gods themselves acknowledge it as an acceptable tactic.

yeah i can't say that i'm all for getting rid of an order if a the god or goddess goes away. they can be replaced.

for example, on imperian, aesir and cassiopeia and others were gone for quite some time, but members of the orders kept RP alive until eventually Avasyu found new people to play those gods.
i know in aesir the god of war's order there was even IC conflict between people that suported the current OH and those who supported a challenger because he was bringing new ideas nand talking about how aesir was gone because his order had failed him and that they needed to regain his favour in order to bring him back

long winded post, sorry!

I wasn't saying my particular enemy status was in character or not with Terentia, but there was no explaination. That particular reason was not why I was concerned about Amaru.



Something tells me she would not approve of some of Amaru's behavior, that's all.

I'm not saying negate the order's powers or destroy shrines, but rather have an aligned consulate who could temporarilly ban order powers to a person who might be a heretic. For instance, Lisaera could be Auskellis', and Raezon could be Fain's (assuming Fain is now inactive). Just sort of a stopgap measure. Communites, Guilds, and important Cartels have at least one active Divine in assistance. I think it might be dangerous leaving an Order without any sort of divine intervention.

I wasn't talking about Amaru, I was talking about Orders with inactive Divine in general.

Your concerns seem a bit unfounded. Sorry Phred, but we all get killed in game. It's a part of it. Just because Amaru might have worked your character over a bit doesn't mean that he was abusing his position(s).

I never saw Hajamin complain about violence towards the taint and I doubt that his motives centered around your concerns.

Is this thread about why Hajamin was justified in what he did or about orders with inactive Gods?

Fain is around occasionally.

And so long as the player behind one God can be impartial when working with the order of another it would be fine.. but I somehow doubt that. I mean look at what's just happened.. clearly Hajamin did -not- get on with Terentia's order. It's a terribly crude way of sorting things out to simply coerce another God or Goddess into watching out for an inactive God's order. If it's to be done at all, it should be a Coder/God -without- an active order who does it. I simply can't see it working otherwise.

Can't we all stop acting like a bunch of dipsticks and think positively...?




In other words. Get over it already, happens. Most of it a lot worse than this.

Speak for yourself. I'm engaged in what I consider to be an interesting discussion, and those people who are upset are perfectly entitled to be... for maybe.. another 24 hours. Then I agree with you.