Moving to Lusternia

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Shorlen2006-01-12 11:26:34
QUOTE(Mr Unknown @ Jan 9 2006, 02:45 PM)
Thanks a lot Shorlen.
Would a Human MoonSerenguard be good or not..?
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Omnitrans? Yes. With 200 credits? Probably not. Trans moon is what really does it for you, with drawdown, and Waning, which Murphy referred to, is Virtuoso. You'd also want really high in whatever weapon spec you choose, and as a warrior, you want Expert athletics for Flex (+2 strength defence), and Mythical if you can for Surge (lose half max mana, gain that much as max hp). That's more like 500+ credits to be really effective, I'd think.

Honestly though, I don't know how much skill in your weapon spec you need as a warrior to bash well. Heck, I don't know a thing about warrior bashing.

For bashing as a wiccan, you'd be fine early on. Sprite and Nymph require near-fabled Wicca (134 credits) and they're the only skills you really need, in my opinion, to bash quite trivially until really high levels. Late game... it's more of a stretch, unless you have drawdown/nightkiss, which both take 286 credits (trans moon/night). If you're a moondancer, you get Mother too with just a bit more wicca (another 17 credits) for passive healing.

For bashing as a Magi, Staff requires mythical aquamancy/geomancy (215 credits), but it really is all you need. You get reflections too, which are really really low in illusions, and if you're an aquamancer, you get healspring for passive healing.

Druids are like magi, but without illusions, with no scry, but with some really good support skills, like climbing and scenting and sprinting.


Dunno what is *best* though, having only played a wiccan really. I don't even bash anymore, I just influence. You don't need much to influence well - just adept skill (15 credits) and a 15/16 charisma race to 'bash' in the hardest and best place in the game. You can start at level 21 too, and you get about 25% per denizen then. I'm getting about 0.2% each at level 77, which isn't bad at all, considering there are about 50 denizens there. 20% an hour, no risk to myself, little competition. With adept influence and 16 charisma, it takes about 12 hits to sway the denizens or something. With trans influence and 18-20 charisma, it takes 5-6.

Charisma buffs -
+2 from having a Throne (costs about 60k, lasts 600 months, but requires a manse to put it in, which costs 350k, or 140k if you get a room in Deepnight).
+2 from having a Beauty blessing, which is a bit hard to maintain for a dedicated influencer, since there is no way at all to gain karma from influencing.
+1-4 from having a positive Lion sphere around you, based on the stars, but those only last a short while.

I wonder how fast I could influence bash with 24 charisma... Need to wait for tomorrow when the sun is in lion and see where Papaxi is, and hope I get lucky biggrin.gif
Murphy2006-01-12 12:19:48
wow with that low credits, i'd reccomend a mage for bashing for sure.

You really won't get far with pk to be honest until you get at least trans your weapon specialiation.

With a mage, go psionics perhaps, and maybe a tanky race to bash with until you get credits, you can always sit in the next room and staff in during group combat for a bit of fun
Morik2006-01-12 12:34:19
I'd just like to point out that transcending combat influences wounding/damage done: so you'll want to trans Combat to maximise weapon damage and wounding.
Ryannic2006-01-12 16:55:42
what skills would be the best to learn in for mostly combat? and be a good basher tongue.gif i know i can bash alright right now and when i gain levels probly just as good, but in the means of pking is what i like, what skills should i focus on, like what skill i need to transe to get that 33% change in shrugging of afflictions! ah well thanks!
Unknown2006-01-12 17:00:48
QUOTE(Ryannic @ Jan 12 2006, 05:55 PM)
what skills would be the best to learn in for mostly combat? and be a good basher tongue.gif i know i can bash alright right now and when i gain levels probly just as good, but in the means of pking is what i like, what skills should i focus on, like what skill i need to transe to get that 33% change in shrugging of afflictions! ah well thanks!
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The shrugging comes from resilience. I assume you mean skills outside guild skills? Discipline to focus mind (fabled I think) this will help you deal with things like allhex plus increase your power regen. If you are a warrior combat to Trans for the wounding bonus and all the stances. Trans Planar for conglutinate when you fight off plane. Most skills are worth getting reasonably high in for anyone. It depends what you want.
Ekard2006-01-12 17:07:46
I suggest all my proteges to go for Igasho if they wont be have credits for such things like Flex (+2 str), Surge(50% mana into health).

STATISTICS:
Strength : 17 Dexterity : 9 Constitution: 18
Intelligence: 9 Charisma : 12 Size : 18

ADVANTAGES:
o Have a racial language, igasho.
o Have a level 2 resistance to cutting damage.
o Have a level 2 resistance to blunt damage.
o Have a level 2 resistance to magic damage.
o Have a level 1 resistance to cold.
o Have a level 1 resistance to poison damage.
o Regenerate health, level 1.
o Faster herb balance, level 1.
o Native Weapon: Igasho warriors who choose the Blademastery
specialization can use one-handed swords more accurately than other
races.

DISADVANTAGES:
o Are susceptible to fire, level 1.
o Have level 2 slower balance.
o Have level 1 slower equilibrium.

If you take blademaster specialization your accuracy will be 99.99% Normal is 90%.

Or other tanky race with high strength. You will be decent basher and you always will be good support in team fight. Lot of health and nice damage.
Serrin2006-01-13 03:29:48
What about a tae'dae who specializes in influencing until level 70 or so (you seriously can get to level 70 influencing really-really fast), and since tae'dae have a nice 15 charsima and all that strength, health and the super awesome sip bonus (making influence-bashing really easy for them). Yes, they have massive balance/equilibrium penalties but those don't apply to influncing I believe. You can get to adept influencing with your lessons by the time you're level 20 easily and that will set you for getting some decent gold/levels for a while afterwards. Which you can then use the gold (and all the neo credits you get) to boost up your other skills by buying credits and then get armour and masterweapons made for you.
Shorlen2006-01-13 07:54:57
QUOTE(Serrin @ Jan 12 2006, 11:29 PM)
What about a tae'dae who specializes in influencing until level 70 or so (you seriously can get to level 70 influencing really-really fast), and since tae'dae have a nice 15 charsima and all that strength, health and the super awesome sip bonus (making influence-bashing really easy for them).  Yes, they have massive balance/equilibrium penalties but those don't apply to influncing I believe.  You can get to adept influencing with your lessons by the time you're level 20 easily and that will set you for getting some decent gold/levels for a while afterwards.  Which you can then use the gold (and all the neo credits you get) to boost up your other skills by buying credits and then get armour and masterweapons made for you.
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Only works for a warrior - don't try this as anything else, I'd say. The eq penalty on top of the low int is so painful for bashing sad.gif
Ekard2006-01-13 15:04:54
And aslo if you have only 200cr, one of forestals guild will be best utility wise.
Those totems offer a lot usefull skills. Burrow, treewalking, leap, sprinting, scent just to mention few. You wll get them in guild skills. Others need to learn a lot to get tumble, treewalking, scan and other usefull skills.
Nymerya2006-01-13 15:11:22
Stop knocking on the Nihilists for bashing! One of the people who held the first rank for the longest (Dias) was a Nihilist. You just have to be... persistant... =/
Ekard2006-01-13 15:31:20
Nihilists arent bad.
Sudoxe is one too and Melanchthon was one too right?
And of course Aesyra, she was nihilist for long time too.
And now Kharvik.
Unknown2006-01-13 20:00:13
QUOTE(Nymerya @ Jan 13 2006, 04:11 PM)
Stop knocking on the Nihilists for bashing! One of the people who held the first rank for the longest (Dias) was a Nihilist. You just have to be... persistant... =/
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Yeah but it's slow. I bashed to 100 as a guardian but I could probably have done it quite a bit faster as Geomancer for example. Seriously, guardian bashing -is- slow.

Though I have to admit, bashing in Lusternia in general is too goddamn easy. I could make an alt and have her levelled up to 60+ before she ever graduates from novicehood if I wanted to. No kidding. sleep.gif
Ekard2006-01-13 20:15:54
QUOTE(shadow @ Jan 13 2006, 10:00 PM)
Yeah but it's slow. I bashed to 100 as a guardian but I could probably have done it quite a bit faster as Geomancer for example. Seriously, guardian bashing -is- slow.

Though I have to admit, bashing in Lusternia in general is too goddamn easy. I could make an alt and have her levelled up to 60+ before she ever graduates from novicehood if I wanted to. No kidding.  sleep.gif
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Yep leveling is easy if you know how to do it.
I got level 55 Merian Aquamacer and level 50 Lucidian Celestine before graduatred from novocehood.
Daganev2006-01-13 20:17:48
You can't really get to level 70 with influence easily unless you get atleast three types of attacks, which I think is a mininum of fabled. If you don't alternate your attacks your pretty much not going to get anywhere.
Serrin2006-01-13 20:39:12
Wrong Daganev, a faeling with just beg/supplication can take everyone except for Quettle within Tosha at level 20. If you play a less charismatic race but put the effort into getting beauty blessings, you can do it too.
Richter2006-01-13 21:10:49
QUOTE(Serrin @ Jan 13 2006, 12:39 PM)
Wrong Daganev, a faeling with just beg/supplication can take everyone except for Quettle within Tosha at level 20.  If you play a less charismatic race but put the effort into getting beauty blessings, you can do it too.
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Just like it took you two hours trying to influence that gnome, and it took me 30 seconds. smile.gif
Unknown2006-01-13 22:56:25
Actually, you get Wheedling at Virtuoso. Exactly 600 lessons. Which you can get by lvl 40 if you're dumping all your lessons into it. And then, if you're still in novicehood, you can simply forget it before you graduate and have a 0 lesson loss. I know my char was lvl 62 when I graduated novicehood.

*coughs*

Why am I giving away my secrets?

Also, Tae'dae make AWESOME mages.

My Tae'dae Psion, with Adept Elementalism and Adept Psionics, without great robes, was taking similiar damage to a field-plate wearing knight, added in with a huge sip bonus and insane health, allowed me to pretty much bash anything that looked at me funny. Sure, if I was bashing things a less tanky but faster mage was bashing, they would be faster, but the trick was, I could kill things of higher level, so it was actually insanely fast. I know my last tae'dae I boosted to 55 in just a matter of hours.
Raikas2006-01-14 00:22:45
Wow. See, everyone is talkin' about how they had their character at 50+ before it was even out of novicehood, and here I am hovering right around 58 and having spent quite a bit of time (well, 7 days or so now...) playing. Not a high level, but I feel like I've actually -participated- in the game, rather than just dashing through killing/influencing. So this leaves me with one question, really.

Is devoting your time exclusively to level-raising -worth- it?
Xenthos2006-01-14 00:26:13
QUOTE(Raikas @ Jan 13 2006, 08:22 PM)
Is devoting your time exclusively to level-raising -worth- it?
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It depends on your goal. Getting to 80 is definitely worth it, and then backing off and just roleplaying / advancing in your guild commune / training works... or simply blowing to sixty and then working on that. If you can get to sixty in a day, you don't really get overly bored doing so, and as you're still a novice everyone will still treat you as such, so you won't have lost anything at all.

Obviously, this only works for some people. Others will enjoy the much slower process.
Peeka2006-01-14 01:46:54
I kinda like hovering in the 50s - not too high that if I die I won't shed any tears, not too low that I can't mentor. I do need the lessons, though :/