You know Narsrim..almost like Aeon+Allhex....or Aeon+Whammied Anorexia/Stupidity followed by Sleep... I mean...it's brutal.. but you are right it's not perfect, so obviously it's not unfair. No offence, but Aeon/Allhex is far more scary to me. There are alot fo ways to escape, and doesn't Malicia have that eagle..and doesn't it fly? When I hunt I always bring my mount just for that.

So the real question is what do you propose be changed?

Making it work through deafness completely negates the usefulness of the ability. 10 power for something that has a 1 in 3(or better) chance of being stripped by something as simple as a distortion reading?

I'm sure Geb and Daevos will gladly provide logs upon request of dealing with this and never being hindered in the slightest. Geb can cure an allhex before I recover equilibrium so I don't see the connection.

In 1v1 combat I suppose it is not difficult. Which is why I am agreeing with that barrier can probably use a little fix. The reason why I say it is difficult to put in practice is because most combat involves more then 2 people. It's not a 1v1, which makes pulling off a barrier + chasm combo by yourself, risky, and difficult.

There was NO demesne Munsia, so your scenario is meaningless. Anyone can kill any other person in a perfect setup, but this was a jumping...no demesne, just me and Athana against a Knight...ohh, and two lobstrosity's joined in.

Not really. I believe this is likely a design flaw and it was always intended for disruption to work through deafness. Considering it could take up to three readings to knock out barrier, it is still possible that you could run out of time trying to get it down before you could get out of the room. However, this would be less likely than the current form.

Barrier is INSANE. It should have a decent counter. It isn't supposed to be a god-like ability.

Also, if its just one on one, you can use judgement to kill them also. or why not got for the inquisition combo to nail them.

Hell, you should be able to outbleed them before they get a chasm up. Why not lunge gut for the rend-whoring. Or even envenom with calcise (shrivel legs?) lunge head 5 times, they should be prone by then, and then envenom slickness and hack down. If you don't get a behead you should at least get a scalp with a slitlock, which should kill them after you die.

If you get lucky on venoms you can envenom slickness + crotamine for the slitlock with death soon to follow, its just a game of race the chasm to be honest...

Narsrim, in the right setup geb would not cure it right away. Knights have a FAR easier time of curing it than others. I was just pointing out that just as I believe that Barrier isn't so overpowered...you think your combination isn't...seems we are even.

How stupid do you think the people on this forum are?

While in the posted log there was no demesne up, that's absolute 110% irrelevant to the argument. What happened against Malicia is not the extent of this tactic, which is where the concern lies.

Hey, blind guy....read her post...you know..where she used a scenario of me and Athana jumping someone... that's not what happened. Further, read where I said ANYONE in the right setup can kill anyother. God, defend Munsia all you want, but don't be a moron about it.

For the record, i dislike barrier too, and think it should be removed.

However, if you are the right class combo and you are good enough, you can escape.

Getting jumped by 2 people though, you should generally die, Especially on astral you can get locked into a plane. I can jump someone with daevos, and have them dead pretty much guaranteed each time minus a few special cases where one of us messes up, or gets unlucky on a behead.

If i have a 3rd person (ravlok, lyco or a decent nihilsit), we can kill any single person 95% of the time without any trouble at all.

Here's a tip though, use scan in discernment in outdoor areas periodically, it can be good to let you know when you're about to be jumped.

How long does barrier last? Could you put up serpent and wait it out?

Edit: Not that serpent is worth anything if there's a warrior there, but still.

Do mages have judgement? I didn't think so tell me again why this is relevant?

As for the Inquisition argument, you are just playing with words now as all of your former arguments have been torn apart. The fact of the matter is that you can't be held in a room for Inquisition because Guardians don't have barrier so again, this doesn't relate.

And no, if someone is a decent level - you'll never take them down first (and knocking someone prone doesn't cancel chasm). All in all, you are basically adding nothing productive except fantasy based expectations of how you *might* kill them when they can *always* kill you.

What sucks for barrier is that even with how cheesy it is, it can be removed so easily..unless I'm deaf..which the makes me very prone to other skills which can really hurt.

Ethelon, Terenas can heal an allhex before I recover equilibrium most of the time too. It truly isn't that difficult to do. Whether or not you can do it isn't a concern. There are lots of people who can.

No one can "cure" good enough, however, to escape something like this. This is why it isn't ideal to compare afflictions (which is a measure of your system and how well it is coded) versus something you cannot actually control.

Name 5.

Anyone mind saying how long it lasts?

Until you unlock the channel, kill the mage, or remove it

Are you as stupid as you are making yourself appear Narsrim?

My scenario wasnt in response to you, smart one. It was in response to Geralds 'even in practice' thing.
You are always like LEARN HOW TO FIGHT on the other threads and people think you're in the top 10 but all you do is take cheap stuff and use it.