The post Lisaera wrote said that barghests/redcaps/slaughs were Fae. It did not say that Mother Night was a Fae. While a Fae Lord, yes... but that's a different thing.

It depends on whether Lisaera meant Fae Lord to mean a Lord of Fae, or to mean a Lord among Fae. Either option makes perfect sense.

There are Fae and Fae Lords. The Fae are the lesser spirits. The Fae Lords are the greater spirits.

In which case, you seem to be going for option one.

Back on actual topic;

Someone mentioned Aslaran using claws to inflict damage, it might work but theres also the matter that some Aslarans would say it degrades them (someone has said this, one of the Aslaran players so please excuse me if I dont have the name) to have to use their claws in such a fashion.
Also, the claw would work as well for the Loboshigaru though their claws may actually be blunted from normal activities. Dont know about anyone elses dogs but my dogs all have blunted nails usually go through skin. Smaller the dog, sharper the nails actually but Loboshigaru are fairly big in comparision to a small dog. Furrikins maybe as well, Tae'dae maybe, Dracnari maybe. And really, it would just be kinda like adding a slight more damage to their kicks or punchs. Or add bleeding to punches and kicks for races that could have claws.

If anyone got any sense from that, sorry for the running around in circles.

Making them able to use their claws wouldn't actually 'degrade' them - it would only 'degrade' those who chose to use them.

I like the idea of having racial abilities that matter, balancewise - more stuff like roll, for example (breathing fire, as cool as it is, isn't any good.)

The Fae Lords are Fae that evolved into Greater Spirits. When I talked to Lisaera about that long ago I took it to mean they are -still- Fae, just more evolved Fae.

That doesn't match the stories about then being awakened by the sixth circle or whatever.

Yes it does. The evolution that Gregori mentioned is the act of being awakened.

I think it is silly to say that the Great Spirits are not fae and hence wiccans don't care about them.

By the same token, I think it is silly to argue that Glomdoring's motives and methods are just the same as Serenwilde's in regards to Fae/nature. It is the argument that most pisses me off.

Serenwilde doesn't always use 'good' methods, but there's no doubting that there is a fundamental difference in approach. Serenwilde worships fae/nature. Glomdoring dominates it.

You misread. It isn't that the Great Spirits are beyond the concern of Wiccans; however, there is a different view of the Fae versus the Great Spirits. If there wasn't, the Moondancers would have no objection whatsoever to Night and the enslavement of the fae.

What, the whole tainted thing isn't enough to exclude them?

Also, the Great Spirits -are- Fae, just not Lesser Spirits.

That's a weird way of saying it then. Evolution can be many things, most simply change.

However, that doesn't mean that the end result is anywhere near the end. In a reverse fashion, Mugowumpoiis became Mugwumps as a whole, her essence splintered amongst them.

However, to say that Mugwumps are Mugowumpoiis and Mugowumpoiis is Mugwumps is true - but not very accurate for most purposes.

This threat either needs

1. to be closed
2. be aggresively moderated
3.moved to idiots

really when this entire fae discussion started I had to check if I was accually in ideas.

I dont agree with closed, but I do agree with moved to idiots and start another one that the thread is supposed to be on.

Hmm - well, from what I understand about the Awakeners is that when they awakened - they brought out the true purpose of the entity. For example, Moon could have been a fae much like a banshee or leprechaun - but she had a greater purpose. Lisaera would notice this and she would help bring it out - thereby Moon being 'evolved' in a sense. I would say this is also the case on personal experience, as Lisaera tried to awaken Jasper to his true purpose - to follow Moon, but she inadvertedly awakened him to Night.

Back on topic...

While racial attacks are good, they should be more for roleplay than for anything else. Thus, stylish with minimal damage.

That's probably the worst analogy I ever heard... You can't break someone's rib while giving them CPR without punching it into the ribcage and giving the said person a nasty internal bleeding, and every time you pressed his chest again, you'd just bend the rib (Broken bones are surprisingly sharp) further into that person's internal organs. And you'd be pressing at the right place to punch a broken rib through his heart; people can die from a ruptured spleen, so pressing your hand into a broken rib is a bad idea as pretty much any internal organ you hit will cause the victim to bleed to death. If you have any CPR training at all, you can't break someone's rib (And at any rate, you'd have to apply way too much strength to break a rib).

And you two are just proving my theory that every argument degenerates into a discussion about someone's philosophy/purposes/'correct' RP. Like Aiakon, using real life examples to justify killing or not killing Fae in Lusternia is ineffective, and extremely comic.

Now shut up, and move the argument to another topic.

Personally, I'd like to see a martial arts skill someday that would allow you to have racial trees. Maybe Something like this (not real names).

Fu (Generic Fu)
Master Specialities
(A few generic ones)
Drac-Fu (Dracnari)
Claw-Fu (Furrikins, Tae-Dae, Lobs, and Aslarians)
Horn-Fu (Taurians and Viscanti)
Wump-Fu (Mugwump Fu)
Sylvian-Fu (Elfs and Faelings)

Or, rather than racial trees, maybe a more generic Fu system that would have a LOT of little skills, but only some available to races. Such as a Horn attack, Breath Attacks, Jumping, use of small size, etc. Maybe specialites based on certain racial advantages.

Extremely cool idea, and doesn't unbalance the game in the least if done properly.