So what do I have to say to get this thread locked?

The relevance of Glomdoring not being tainted is that Narsrim seems to claim that he only likes to attack Tainted things, and yet Glomdoring is not tainted, and he enjoys attacking it.

The ammount of WRONG assumptions you just made in your list talking about gods is increddibly amazing. The ONLY gods to ever be tainted are Isune and Viravain, as they are the only gods who ever came in contact with Kethuru.

I don't care if we happened to die killing the guards, there was never a plan to leave, only to kill guards. The point is Glomdoring did it by itself, and succeeded in all its goals, which you asked for 'evidence' of. Clearly you could care less about evidence and enjoy lieing through the skin of your teeth over a simple computer game.

Quite pethetic really.

Oooh look a god who will let me attack anything in the game for no reason at all! I must join him and use his name whenver possible to justify my poor sportsmanship!

Don't you feel powerfull now?

Yes, because it's just a game and it's just a thread and yet, its got you so worked up that you're near tears and hoping that someone locks it before you say something you'll regret, eh?

This thread is interesting. Forums has been slightly dull lately. All of those that are complaining about lack of sportsmanship and the overall conflict annoy me. Conflict is INTERESTING. Conflict is the substance for excellent roleplay. I'll go and play FF online if I'd rather avoid pvp and in depth r-p with people who actually immerse themselves in their character and give their all. Dedicated players. I'm one of those.

So, back to Nokraenom's original post. Want to see better sportsmanship between players? Start on your end.

One example of bad sportsmanship- Wildnodes.

Now, in this event, instead of letting all organizations come up before it starts, meld and ready themselves, we have certain Mags who come up, demense every sphere and kill people before it starts.. mind you, making some of them pray. During the event, everyone will conglutinate on Astral. I know of many who feel that the Mag players are indeed powergamers who care nothing about making events fun for everyone, trying to dominate early on and completely discourage the opposite side. If it isn't too much, I'd love to see an event where we could start off fairly. Should I approach this here or in game?

See, I get defensive when Nok comes here to post about good sportsmanship and the lack of it from the Seren/Celestian players when I haven't witnessed ANY from the Mag side in game. I hope that next time a thread like this starts, he won't name names and make weak accusations.

And you're damn right, Percival. Malicia-Vicious. Whatever you want to call me. In character, that's who she is to her enemies. Her allies love her. Malicia has amassed quite a following and it isn't because she's some lame snuggle-bunny. She's anti-taint and views them as insignificant. I'd liken her ideals to that of Terentia.

Malicia, I believe percy was just saying, Malicia = Malice

such a discussion accually doesn't belongs here, as Celest will consider taint whatever they ICly consider taint. Celest is not obligated to follow this god you mention (most likely Lacostian, who you would have to discuss further with to find out if he finds Wyrd an evolved, or an altered version of taint rather then purified.)

And like I seem to be saying alot move topic to idiots, lock topic, or delete topic.

edit: missed a key word in my first sentence.

Is there a reason this topic ever belonged in Combat guide? I havn't really been reading it since the last few pages... If so, I'll divide the thread up into old combat guid content and new idiots content.

Thought I'd comment on this. Daganev, icly, we see Glomdoring as tainted. No amount of propaganda here will convince us otherwise. That's our rp. When the commune was CLEARLY tainted, Glomdoring's stance was 'We don't see it! It isn't tainted! You shouldn't kill us!' Glomdoring enslaves the fae... Before the rise of Glomdoring, the fae asked for help and plainly stated that they did not wish to become enslaved. The Serenwilde has every reason to oppose Glomdoring.

Yeah I'm about to bust into tears right now.

Hmm.... does anyone else notice that there is a rather huge discrepancy in time-zones within the Glomdoring compared to Celest and Serenwilde?

More often than not I'm the only Ebonguard higher than level 50 and one of maybe 2 people who actually have their guild skills transed after about 11pm PST.

Could that possibly be part of the problem Narsrim? You're a great fighter, no arguing that, and the few people who ARE good fighters in Glomdoring just don't happen to ever be around when you come knocking.

Note: I am not a great fighter, I'm sure that's been proven several times.

Yeah we don't have alot of folks around the hours I've seen Narsrim on, and I can't really take him on alone. Still have alot to learn. Even then he'd be a problem. Ciaran is really good, and of course Lyco is but those two seem to be on less and less.

I'm sure thats true.. its just dissapointing that players can't change with the game.

Almost 90% of the reasons why Serenwilde might -hate- Glomdoring don't exist anymore.

@Serrin: Yes I complain about timezones to Shikari and Shayle whenver I can.. wish I knew how to fix that.

Just because my name was mentioned in regards to defending Glomdoring... if standing at the Megalith, and scrying Narsrim and Munsia's current location, and teasing Munsia a bit when she sends Tzara something in tells constitutes 'tree duty', then I'm guilty. Kaervas -did- go to the Glomdoring, as far as I know, and I did go to the Ravenwood soon buy chervil from the herbalist there, but my visit was after they (Narsrim and Munsia) left. Tzara's IC stance on Glomdoring is... odd, as that whole forest tends to give her the creeping willies, but this isn't the thread to go into that.

Right. After that little clarification, I'm off now.

erm Glomdoring:

- still enslaves fae
- mother night is still tainted and wants to harm Moon
- crow is still tainted and still wants to kill Stag/hart or whoever it is
- wyrd is considered taint by Isune, who helped create it
- Lisaera and Viravain are still on ill terms

Not enough reasons to hate Glomdoring?

Umm, Night was made Wyrd with the rest of them, as was Crow. And there is no indication that Crow wants to kill hart.

Wyrd being considered taint by Isune is news to me after having conversations with her.

Lisaera and Viravain are not really matters as Viravain has always been on bad terms with Fain.

Moondancers still have every reason to loathe them .

EDIT: Infact, the whole of Serenwilde can and probably should hate them for the simple fact of how Glomdoring treat the Fae.

Erm night send her Avatars to represent her at the wedding of butter so she still exists seperatly. (The avatars accually prove she still exitst as they are aspects of Night and I think you still get enemied to night spirit rather then wyrd spirit.)

Do you think Isune wept for cleansing Glomdoring? No, she wept for aiding the taint.

There is enough reason for Serenwilde to still oppose Glomdoring, and that gets doubled by Glomdoring's friendlyness with Magnagora.

I find it rather odd you would expect Serenwilde to change their stand just because you got wyrded. I thought wyrd was accually just meaned to make IC denying of being tainted easier, not to make ooc claims that glom isn't tainted.

To change Serenwilde's mind you'd have to send diplomats and do alot of IC convincing (now that would be great rp even if it wouldn't work in the end) rather then expect it to happen automaticly.

This is my Isune break down of the Taint. Isune, please forgive me if I'm terribly off.

Blue + Yellow = Green

Now, when you think about it, green isn't blue... green isn't yellow. However, if you take away blue, you can never have green.

Replace Blue with Tainted, Yellow with Isune/Viravain junk, and green with Wyrd.

1. What do avatars being seperate from Night have to do with the fact that Night and Crow were both in the cocoon?

2. She wept because she was scared and is still scared, or something similar to that..

3. What friendliness with Magnagora? Where have you been?

4. I find it odd that you have no clue what your talking about. I'm not talking about Wyrd and so things should be changed.. I'm talking about that before glomdoring was a commune there were some ideas of Crow and what he was like, After the commune was created almost everything about Crow that people were assuming based on old quests turned out to be false. However, to this day people still quote that information as fact. But that never stopped people from not caring about the truth. Try reading the events post again, with an open mind and you can see EXACTLY what the Wyrd is.

5. Been there, done that. Its not very exciting to talk to people who don't know the meaning of the word conversation.

I think you should re-read the event posts...

It has little to do with the taint, and a lot to do with emotional trauma.

Its annoying when people try to simplfy things so much that all the interesting things get removed from the actual game.

Oh.. AND your colour theory is wrong... its very possible to have green without blue, or yellow.

Its equally annoying when people try to argue against basic logic.

GLOMDORING WAS TAINTED. The Wyrd is a change of the Taint. While you can argue all you want, there are variation even among Elder Gods as to whether it still is or still is not tainted. Hajamin said it was a variation of the Taint. You don't have to accept that. You can argue all you want. However, you are no more correct and no more prove yourself against someone whose opinion is omnipotent IC to your own.

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Your inability to recognize the taint as a facet of the Wyrd is also frightening. If Glomdoring was never tainted, it might make sense. However, it was.