Good sportsmanship

by Nokraenom

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Unknown2006-02-02 01:05:53
QUOTE(daganev @ Feb 2 2006, 01:03 AM)
Thats what I said to Anisu...

Go read page 11 again...
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Which has nothing to do with what I quoted. rolleyes.gif

And its completely false, as clearly there is still quest mechanics that reinforce the Crow/Hart conflict.

I also find it amusing that you say 'I'm not talking about Wyrd at all. Instead, you should all go and read the events post that explains Wyrd to see what Wyrd is.'

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Daganev2006-02-02 01:11:25
QUOTE(Quidgyboo @ Feb 1 2006, 04:57 PM)
Semantics is an argument of meaning so I don't see how an argument about Glomdoring being Tainted or not fits in there, but it does not really matter.
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Here is what the argument was...

The word taint means : taint (tānt) pronunciation

v., taint·ed, taint·ing, taints.

v.tr.

1. To affect with or as if with a disease.
2. To affect with decay or putrefaction; spoil. See synonyms at contaminate.
3. To corrupt morally.
4. To affect with a tinge of something reprehensible.

v.intr.

To become affected with decay or putrefaction; spoil.
n.

1. A moral defect considered as a stain or spot. See synonyms at stain.
2. An infecting touch, influence, or tinge.

In the eyes of Glomdoring, however, Glomdoring is Beutifull, marvoulous, glorious, something amazing... thuse the WORD "taint" is not something that Glomdoring is.

i.e. semantics.

Its really NOT that complicated.
Anisu2006-02-02 01:13:12
Erm, just to note that taint IG != taint in a dictionary. Thank you, goodbye
Narsrim2006-02-02 01:14:01
Taint = left over energies or whatever that infected the basin by Kethuru.

You can't argue that. Glomdoring was infected, it was Tainted.
Unknown2006-02-02 01:14:32
QUOTE(daganev @ Feb 2 2006, 01:11 AM)
In the eyes of Glomdoring, however, Glomdoring is Beutifull, marvoulous, glorious, something amazing... thuse the WORD "taint" is not something that Glomdoring is.

i.e. semantics.

Its really NOT that complicated.
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As Quidgy was correctly pointing out, how is that different to Serenwilde viewing Glomdoring as corrupted, stained, perverted and rotting? And hence using the word "taint" to describe it?

The two situations are really identical. Except when it was convenient, you were right and the mechanics were wrong.
Unknown2006-02-02 01:16:22
QUOTE(daganev @ Feb 2 2006, 12:11 PM)
Here is what the argument was...

The word taint means : taint (tānt) pronunciation

v., taint·ed, taint·ing, taints.

v.tr.

  1. To affect with or as if with a disease.
  2. To affect with decay or putrefaction; spoil. See synonyms at contaminate.
  3. To corrupt morally.
  4. To affect with a tinge of something reprehensible.

v.intr.

To become affected with decay or putrefaction; spoil.
n.

  1. A moral defect considered as a stain or spot. See synonyms at stain.
  2. An infecting touch, influence, or tinge.

In the eyes of Glomdoring, however, Glomdoring is Beutifull, marvoulous, glorious, something amazing... thuse the WORD "taint" is not something that Glomdoring is.

i.e. semantics.

Its really NOT that complicated.
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If you were arguing the meaning of the word Taint, I'd agree with you. Glomdoring argued its forest was amazing, et al, and not Tainted. It did not argue that Tainted had a different meaning than what we thought.

i.e. not semantics

It's really NOT that complicated.
Daganev2006-02-02 01:16:32
QUOTE(Avaer @ Feb 1 2006, 05:05 PM)
Which has nothing to do with what I quoted. rolleyes.gif

And its completely false, as clearly there is still quest mechanics that reinforce the Crow/Hart conflict.

I also find it amusing that you say 'I'm not talking about Wyrd at all. Instead, you should all go and read the events post that explains Wyrd to see what Wyrd is.'

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What quest mechanics reinforce the Crow/Hart conflict?

Do Moon and Night wish to kill eachother? not as far as I'm aware. Is there conflict of intrests? yes.

What is so ammusing about telling somebody where to read up on a topic when its not something I'm discussing? Havn't your instructors ever told you to do that when you raise a question that has nothing to do with the topic at hand?
Narsrim2006-02-02 01:19:05
Moon and Night cannot be killed so there you have it. Even when the Avatars are slain, they are simply returned to the bossom of Mother Moon/Night (that is literally the message if you try to summon mother/maiden/crone, etc).

And as for Crow/White Hart, how about the fact White Hart hates him and considers him a bitter enemy with the desire to rid his presence from the Basin?

EDIT:

Plus, I could so see Lisaera going psycho on someone who tried to kill her daughter. She's rather protective.
Unknown2006-02-02 01:20:24
QUOTE(daganev @ Feb 2 2006, 01:16 AM)
What quest mechanics reinforce the Crow/Hart conflict?

Do Moon and Night wish to kill eachother? not as far as I'm aware. Is there conflict of intrests? yes.

What is so ammusing about telling somebody where to read up on a topic when its not something I'm discussing?  Havn't your instructors ever told you to do that when you raise a question that has nothing to do with the topic at hand?
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Usually my instructors know the topic they are presuming to lecture about. They also don't make wild assertions then strenuously object to rational arguments against what they're saying by claiming 'I wasn't talking about that part, no fair!'

Read back a few pages, Daganev. If you ask White Hart about Crow, he says they're enemies. His Children are still trapped in the Land of Crow, starving to death, and he wants them rescued.

Happy now? Stop spreading propaganda that isn't right. There -are- quests that still pit Crow against Hart. Just because you don't bother to learn about them doesn't mean no-one else will.
Daganev2006-02-02 01:20:35
QUOTE(Quidgyboo @ Feb 1 2006, 05:16 PM)
If you were arguing the meaning of the word Taint, I'd agree with you. Glomdoring argued its forest was amazing, et al, and not Tainted. It did not argue that Tainted had a different meaning than what we thought.

i.e. not semantics

It's really NOT that complicated.
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Yes, this is why I said there was no point talking about it in game. Apparently it wasn't roleplaying that was preventing people from understanding what Glomdoring was and was not saying.

And before your quick to take shots at me, no I was not arguing with anybody ingame, so it has nothing to do with my like of writing abilities.


#edit: In responce to crow, Is there such a quest to free his children or does that no longer work? I mean, Rowena still says she is pregnant when you mention animals around her, but she isn't...

Also, he says quite a bit in that statement, including talking about the evil cities bringing the taint, yet theres no problem with Celest right?
Xenthos2006-02-02 01:28:20
QUOTE(Anisu @ Feb 1 2006, 07:36 PM)
Do you think Isune wept for cleansing Glomdoring? No, she wept for aiding the taint.
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Please do not assume. Try speaking with her. Thank you.

Also, the main Glomdoring member who has been fighting on Celestia and Water *with Magnagorans* recently goes by the name "Iblis". I believe he's now Magnagoran because of it, actually.

And Viravain brought the dictionary meaning of the word "taint" in game-- it's why she hates someone referring to her forest as "tainted." She can't see the twisting, so all she hears it as is someone saying that her perfect, beautiful forest has something wrong with it.
ferlas2006-02-02 01:31:23
QUOTE(Anisu @ Feb 2 2006, 02:03 AM)
Serens can kill angels, and their 'master' because you see it's against their laws to bring cosmic creatures within their territory (although they don't seem to mind me taking my angel into faethorn even if the leaves say the same laws as Serenwilde go there). They do consider Cherubs abominations, but there is accually a difference between a Cherub and an archangel. (my character believes Archangels have always existed, something that got strenghtened by Lacostian calling them the caretakers)

We just thought you meaned killing the angels/cherubs on Celestia.
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Ah thank you very much for clearing that up sorry for the missunderstanding, I was correct for once, yay me.

So... about that good sportmanship mr nokraenom was talking about? Or has everyone else abandoned this thread? tongue.gif
Unknown2006-02-02 01:33:36
QUOTE(daganev @ Feb 2 2006, 01:20 AM)
#edit: In responce to crow, Is there such a quest to free his children or does that no longer work?  I mean, Rowena still says she is pregnant when you mention animals around her, but she isn't...

Also, he says quite a bit in that statement, including talking about the evil cities bringing the taint, yet theres no problem with Celest right?
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Now who's the one bringing up red herrings?

There is still a quest to rescue the starving deer. I've done it a couple of times, but its just too insanely difficult now. The risk isn't worth the equivalent of 3 pixies experience, for 10 minutes while the deer graze healthy (from an OOC point of view). I've also tried rp'ing out a permanent rescue, but no luck, so I assume they are supposed to be stuck in Glom.

Celest. Has. Nothing. To. Do. With. Why. Serenwilde. Doesn't. Like. Glomdoring.

Serenwilde doesn't like Celest, but we haven't really got any good excuses to go to war with them. Get over it.

It does not in any way invalidate the Crow/Hart conflict, which still exists.
Daganev2006-02-02 01:40:58
That quote says that Hart is bitter enemies with Crow because of the city dwellers taht brought the taint. The city dwellers who brought the Taint is Celest. Seems directly related to me.

Interesting, never new about a quest for starving deer... shame we don't get anything like that.

But anway, Crow is dead, the only crow that exists now is a pet of Viravain's which just happens to look just like all the other Crow's which blacktalon have as pets.
Unknown2006-02-02 01:43:24
QUOTE(daganev @ Feb 2 2006, 01:40 AM)
That quote says that Hart is bitter enemies with Crow because of the city dwellers taht brought the taint.  The city dwellers who brought the Taint is Celest.  Seems directly related to me.
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Yeah, but not to the argument at all. You're saying Crow/Hart get on fine now, because there's no conflict quests between them.

There is.

And, Hart tells his followers that he and Crow are bitter enemies.

I'd say that is pretty clear-cut.

Edit: And yes, I also wish we had emanciated crows in Serenwilde (ie, growing sick being in healthy forest), that we could kill or Glomdoring could rescue. And spiders too would be nice. So everyone gets a chance to do the Toscha quest.
Shiri2006-02-02 02:18:07
QUOTE(Xenthos @ Feb 2 2006, 01:28 AM)
Please do not assume.  Try speaking with her.  Thank you.
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I have, Anisu's pretty much got it.
Malicia2006-02-02 02:21:56
Teehee.
Xenthos2006-02-02 02:32:14
QUOTE(Shiri @ Feb 1 2006, 10:18 PM)
I have, Anisu's pretty much got it.
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Edit: I really didn't want to bring this to the forums, it's why I've been trying not to actually say names. happy.gif
Verithrax2006-02-02 04:13:52
Could someone please edit, close, and pin this as an example of what not to do with a thread? tongue.gif
Unknown2006-02-02 04:49:34
QUOTE(Verithrax @ Feb 2 2006, 04:13 AM)
Could someone please edit, close, and pin this as an example of what not to do with a thread? tongue.gif
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Hardly.

I actually enjoyed that. When the original point had been made, discussed, and died... another few issues came up that were worth debating.

Finally, we had a chance to discuss some of the philosophies in Lusternia - in my opinion the best part of the game is understanding your own beliefs, the reasoning of others, and why they have come to that conclusion.

There is -zero- debate about this stuff in game, the only place we get a chance to debate is on the forums, and they have been pretty damn sterile over the last week or so.