Talk to Elcyrion then. You will find sometimes words can deal wounds deeper than any blade... and when presented in a seemingly non-violent manner, it demoralizes thus weakening an enemy long term.

If Myself and Daevos were raiding places with Glomdoring, you would call it Mag and Glom are raiding somewhere. 2 main organisational fighters in a raid group is enough to say seren and celest are raiding.

I'm still not following.

Say Elryn kills Malicia ( ) for being a vocal proponent of the Light and Empire, and badmouthing the fae. (Which she didn't, of course, but hypothetically)

According to your definition, he has struck first. Now, as you said, words deal wounds deeper than any raid... so how have I been weakened long-term?

Edit: See, the thing that is interesting is that if I did it while she was bashing a few months after the incident, it would be called a random jumping. And yet if a raider is attacked a few months after the incident, it is called justice. I'm trying to understand that discrepancy.

Edit edit: Wait, I think I see what you're trying to say. You could try being mean to them instead of killing them. But why? I might as well kill them and cost them some experience in the process.

Murphy's hammers and sticks and stones may break by bones but words will never hurt me.

Your buttons are far easier to push than most people. In a 10 minute conversation, I can totally tick you off, make you angry, or calm you down with well placed words. You have even caught me doing it and called me on it (but it still worked)!

I think the reason you aren't following is because you aren't on topic...

Demoralizing someone isn't badmouthing the Fae/Supernals/Demon Lords. It is making them feel either truly hopeless/powerless or making them recongize faults in their walk of life while making your own seem so much better (which is so corrupt, but I digress). In the example you suggested, you were never demoralized.

Furthermore, I think this is an example where having to explain the difference is really pretty silly. Think about it in RL terms. If the US invaded Iraq because Iraq actually attacked us first, it is view COMPLETELY differently that the US taking a pre-emptive strike against Iraq. Why? The defender always has the higher moral ground.

It is basic social psychology. Everyone wants to view themselves as a "good" person. If you attack someone first, you open yourself up to attack on that because people can make claims that you are intolerant, aggressive, etc, etc. If, however, you are defending, it is easier to make yourself feel that you still are a "good" person because intolerance against an aggressor is expected, etc.

Shadowdancers enslave Fae.

To Serenwilde, every time they summon their entourage is an attack on our sacred spirits. Why is killing a few dwarves of constantly shifting alignment so COMPLETELY different to enslaving an innocent race?

Doesn't your argument mean that Serenwilde could go open season on killing Gloms, and always take the high moral ground? We are the defenders, after all.

I'm sure almost all organizations could invent reasoning by which the RP implications of the actions or skills of another organization constitute an attack of some sort upon their principles, territory, populace or pantheon.

Edit: Why are those who engage in raiding any worse than those who defy or oppose an organization with their daily existence?

Another example: Tainting the earth is by far more of an attack on Serenwilde's beliefs and sanctity than the death of a few villagers, why are they given reversed weighting?

psh you can do nothing of the sort. I get pissed off due to a lot of things one of which being a mental disorder (woo go murph). I can get pissed off at so much that doesn't require that kind of effort.

I guess I'll chip in my 2 cents here.

I honestly can say that I enjoyed these events. I mean, I'm not that powerful, I recently had a drop from level 55- to level 50. (Putting me at -20 Lessons), and honestly, right after I died while defending Ladantine, I was pretty pissed.

But then I figured, well, it's not my fault that it was a 3 very pwoered people against me, and 2 other novices. Obviously we died. Especially since I couldn't meld the room (not that it would've made a difference).

But still. Whenever the non-Tainted raid Nil, they use their abilities to their full extent. Just as I'm sure that had I possessed good in-game abilities, I would've used them as well.

As a novice to fighting for my city, I found this enjoyable. I mean, the dying sucked, but other than that, it was a good RP and combat experience for me.

Incidentally, Narsrim, if you're gonna be reading this, did any of my Boulderblasts hit you?

It makes me curious why Narsrim and Munsia are members of Serenwilde...

Because we want to be? Since when does Commune and Honor conflict?

As you will notice, Serenwilde as a whole is pretty friendly with Celest so... I don't see your point. I can dislike cities but despise something else, sacrificng my distake to ensure failure to that which I loathe.

Which is perfectly fine.

But there -is- a point of conflict between the two ideals.

There is also a point of conflit between opposing parties in an election (Democrats versus Republicans, etc). Does that mean they are incapable of settling their differences for a common goal (in this case, fighting against the Taint)? It isn't common, but it does happen.

I can not believe you just compared the conflict between a Commune and a City, to two politcal parties within the same government....

However, you don't really hear of too many Republicans who are also Democrats, I'd imagine.

I think your being in both is fine, but its wrong to say there is no issue whatsoever.

We call them Independents. And yes, there is some conflict of interest, but it is feasible for the person involved to manipulate that into a very small conflict. When I entered Hajamin's Order, I did so with one request, which was that nothing would ever be asked or expected of me that would challenge my loyalties to the Moondancers and Serenwilde. He agreed and so it went from there.

Lets just hope that the Serenwilde never asks you to hurt your precious city.

Interesting logic Narsrim.

I attempt to oust you from Glomdoring while you're raiding for spiders, and you kill me on Gorgog island and justify it there.

Munsia attacks ME on Ethereal and I defend myself, so you help her jump me on Gorgog island.

Very very interesting logic.

Your RP for being in the Serenwilde definately makes some sort of logical sense (right?)... or at least the reasons for why the Serenwilde hasn't kicked you out for being a City supporter danger to Commune. Or is it because the lines between the Serenwilde and Celest are blurring and there really is no need for you to switch?