Brother Crow

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Narsrim2006-02-01 17:48:41
QUOTE(Avaer @ Feb 1 2006, 11:40 AM)
Ouch... I wonder why Crow isn't of equal strength?
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Well, Crow I guess is more about skill-to-chase more than skill-to-kill. Once you hit him enough, he shattered in a murder of crows and you have to chase each one of the bastards down. And they can go anywhere. I chased one all the way into the Northern Mountains.
Emar2006-02-01 19:08:45
QUOTE(Sarvasti @ Feb 1 2006, 04:08 AM)
I'm curious, and the fact I'm also trying to write a book/info thinggy on him. Even though this is an ingame thing, its sort of long but that goes with researching. If none of you mind, tell me what your characters see Crow as. E.i. A trickster, scavenger, liar. And what does he represent? This is what Nejii told me ingame: "I think that though this may not have been true in the past, what Brother Crow best represents now is the self delusion and the denial of truth in favour of fragile self-assuredness and security."
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QUOTE(Sarvasti @ Feb 1 2006, 05:20 AM)
Blood Thirst=controlling the urges you have, and using them against people.
Black Sorrow=controlling the despair and pain and using it against people.
False Memory=Don't let doubt and fear get into your mind, forget what's bad and replace with good!
Dark Spirit=Use trickery and deciet as your friend.
Crow(overall)=Never, ever let weakness hinder you, use it as a weapon.
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I have always thought the teachings of Crow to be the disregard of weakness and the slander of others to know the truth that the Glomdoring and the Lady teaches; that we are the greatest place in the Basin, of course! There is more to it than that, however, such as exploiting the weakness of your enemies, knowing your ultimate strength, knowing all before you strike, etc.

All the indepth items on Crow are in the Guild library if you wish to read them, infact I believe I recently added an item. If you wish to know more, though, you can speak to me or another Blacktalon in game.
Daganev2006-02-01 19:32:16
Ironic... The crow skill in totems makes people flee, the Crow Mob runs when attacked..

The Stag skill in totems helps you flee, and the stag mob stand still... go figure.

Also, its impossible to kill Crow, which is why he runs, no point in attacking something that won't die. And Narsrim, stop using information from almost a year ago, its not very helpfull to the new players.
Daganev2006-02-01 19:38:35
QUOTE(Sarvasti @ Jan 31 2006, 09:20 PM)


Blood Thirst=controlling the urges you have, and using them against people.
Black Sorrow=controlling the despair and pain and using it against people.
False Memory=Don't let doubt and fear get into your mind, forget what's bad and replace with good!
Dark Spirit=Use trickery and deciet as your friend.
Crow(overall)=Never, ever let weakness hinder you, use it as a weapon.

My views on Crow and Aspects.
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Thats pretty much the exact opposite to how it was explained to me.

Blood Thirst=Never being satisfied with what you have, always hunger for more
Black Sorrow=Recognize your pain and ignore it, move on and don't be such a coward.
False Memory=If you will it, it will be. Make the world what you want.
Dark Spirit= Ok, this one is the same.
Crow(overall)= "How do you stop a man who has nothing to lose?" Thats where his terror comes from.

Narsrim2006-02-01 19:40:15
QUOTE(daganev @ Feb 1 2006, 03:32 PM)
Ironic...  The crow skill in totems makes people flee, the Crow Mob runs when attacked..

The Stag skill in totems helps you flee, and the stag mob stand still... go figure.

Also, its impossible to kill Crow, which is why he runs, no point in attacking something that won't die.  And Narsrim, stop using information from almost a year ago, its not very helpfull to the new players.
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Stag could also help you chase or relocate to where you desire. However, a room fear attack doesn't really have those kind of options.
Unknown2006-02-01 21:49:11
To me, it feels like crow is lying: He preaches about how you should ignore fear/pain and use it against your enemies, but when you get to actually fighting him, he instantly submits to fear. Crow is the ultimate hippocrit - he ignores his failures, infact he does not believe in him.

All the other interpretations here make sense. In fact, that is part of what is so interesting about Crow - how you can interpret him in many different ways (like real life). It doesnt feel like others can be interepreted in many way.

Crow is probably my favorite aspect of all the ideas within Lusternia.
Unknown2006-02-01 21:55:32
Why do you think Crow submits to fear?
Daganev2006-02-01 21:58:25
When you probe hart? who does it says its loyal to?
Arix2006-02-01 22:15:30
Isn't Brother Crow just a big, scraggly old bird?
Unknown2006-02-01 22:19:55
Ravens are kinda cool looking man. Regal, yknow. Like a hawk. Crow is just like Raven except psychotic. He represents a sort of gothicism amongst that predatorial nobility, because he isn't really a complete predator. Given Personification and of course, glorified with things like native american legends that depicted Crow as powerful and wise, with a variety of abilities that included speaking to the dead, taking the knowledge of those who's eyes they ate, so forth. It's like the significance of Owl and Owl's wisdom. Take away the mythology of it and it's just an annoying bird that hoots all the time.

Stag is just a deer most often made food for predators, Moon is just a lifeless rock that reflects the energy of the sun.
Daganev2006-02-01 22:24:30
As far as I can tell, Crow from a pure game mechanics is just a divine pet.
Unknown2006-02-01 22:31:38
QUOTE(PercivalEdmundChang @ Feb 1 2006, 05:55 PM)
Why do you think Crow submits to fear?
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Because he runs away. You can call it "choosing a better location to fight," but my view on it is that he is running away. As I said, you can interpret it many ways, but this is simply my choice of interpretation.
Unknown2006-02-01 22:36:28
QUOTE(PercivalEdmundChang @ Feb 1 2006, 06:19 PM)
Stag is just a deer most often made food for predators, Moon is just a lifeless rock that reflects the energy of the sun.
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You are being sort of silly here... You realize that White Hart comes from Celtic Myth, just as crow comes from myth?

http://www.maryjones.us/jce/whitestag.html

I don't know much about the myths (I only became away of their existance while reading "A game of Thrones" biggrin.gif). However, on skimming, I noticed that the white hart is associated with transcending bounderies, which is what many people are referring it to in Lusternia (with a boundery being time).
Narsrim2006-02-01 23:32:30
QUOTE(PercivalEdmundChang @ Feb 1 2006, 05:55 PM)
Why do you think Crow submits to fear?
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Because when you attack him, he just bolts away?
Unknown2006-02-02 03:21:22
Emar, I've actually gone to the library, the guild one, quite a few times and the books haven't helped. I looked in the Commune one too. No help files about him, just the skill set. Argh.

Also!! Anyone know what crow is like? Personality wise...and what he was like before?? Ummmm...and does anymore want to read what I've got so far..for my book? As I am not so good with writing things that force me to be creative, extremely creative that is.

Oh...and I've tried to talk with some of Blacktalon, just sorta asking: GT: So, what does everyone think of Brother Crow as?

I didn't get any replies, but I also asked Yeralih if there was anything indept on Crow...and she said she couldn't find anything.
Xenthos2006-02-02 03:22:01
QUOTE(Sarvasti @ Feb 1 2006, 11:21 PM)
Emar, I've actually gone to the library, the guild one, quite a few times and the books haven't helped. I looked in the Commune one too. No help files about him, just the skill set. Argh.
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Uhhhh... CHELP CROW?
Unknown2006-02-02 03:24:07
I think I looked that over...but that's pretty much the same as the Docet. Lemme check.

Edit: Yeah...the Docet is just a bit more spiffied up than CHELP CROW.
Jasper2006-02-02 03:25:22
QUOTE(Sarvasti @ Feb 2 2006, 03:24 AM)
I think I looked that over...but that's pretty much the same as the Docet. Lemme check.
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I am pretty sure they are the same. All the things from CHELP CROW and the Blacktalon Docet are all from the same origin - Viravain's post.
Unknown2006-02-02 03:35:38
QUOTE(Xenthos @ Feb 1 2006, 10:22 PM)
Uhhhh... CHELP CROW?
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Make me an honorary Glomdoring member so I can read your chelps? erm, and pillage your communes secrets as well biggrin.gif
Unknown2006-02-02 03:39:34
I'd be happy to post the Docet if anyone really wants to see it.