Some raiding changes I'd like

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Anisu2006-02-01 10:17:26
Many people (want to) buy cubixes for raiding, IRE knows this and wants those profits like any self respecting company. Making it impossible to cubix from enemy territory will seriously lessen the amount of people that currently want to buy a cubix and thus lessen IRE's profits.

Why is everyone so eager to change cubixes anyway. The only problem I ever encountered with a cubix is the fact your enemy can instantly get themselves away, but they do this at the risk of falling into a trap in limbo (and thus a risk of praying instead of conglutination).

Trade in a 2000cr artifact? so what will people do with 2000 credits when they already have every artifact, pet, manse and skill they wanted? Saying we'll seriously downgrade a 2000cr worth arti but you get credits back is still a net loss of $600 to those people.
Unknown2006-02-01 11:37:12
Not if the cubix is used for what it says it is used for.

Weren't elemental runes downgraded at one point because they had a ridiculous effect on combat?
silimaur2006-02-01 11:38:47
the only changes that cubix needs is to not be allowed to work while the user is impaled etc, was a bit strange when i had kharvik completely pinned down and he could still just cubix out, apart from that i dont have any problem with it it works the way its supposed to
Anisu2006-02-01 11:49:00
It is used for what it is meaned, fast transportation. Be it fast transportation out of a village, fast transportation into enemy territory or going to hunt on astral.

There are a few changes I would bring to when you can use a cubix in terms of afflictions but area restrictions and enemy restrictions are really not needed and will just devalue the cubix (to be honoust should they make it as not being able to use it in enemy territory, I would only consider a cubix worth 1000 credits instead of 2000, as I'm enemied to a lot of places).
Unknown2006-02-01 11:54:39
Making it impossible to use to escape enemy territory instantly won't change the fact it is used for fast transportation.

It just won't have an unnecessary combat aspect that trumps spores/hermit/etc. It won't be as incredibly frustrating for defenders who have to watch their raiders escape instantly without normal balance restrictions, and won't cause all cubix owners to have to 'pay' for an unnecessary raiding utility that isn't part of the advertised package.

If no-one thinks being able to access all planes and all astral spheres instantly from anywhere other than enemy territory or indoors is not worth the price, they don't have to purchase it.
Anisu2006-02-01 12:07:24
QUOTE(Avaer @ Feb 1 2006, 01:54 PM)
Making it impossible to use to escape enemy territory instantly won't change the fact it is used for fast transportation.
it does change the fact. It limits fast transportation out of half of the prime plane and a cosmic plane. If you consider guild enemyship same as elemental enemy (since vortex hits all city enemies and all that) then you lose cubix there to (and in the mountains of madness that is just for fast transportation as that cave is evil). I wouldn't be able to cubix from I the inner sea even though I get reprieve for avechna I'm still in enemy territory, wouldn't be able to cubix from the sea of despair, etc. These are severe limitations to fast transport.

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It just won't have an unnecessary combat aspect that trumps spores/hermit/etc. It won't be as incredibly frustrating for defenders who have to watch their raiders escape instantly without normal balance restrictions, and won't cause all cubix owners to have to 'pay' for an unnecessary raiding utility that isn't part of the advertised package.

explain to me, how do you spore/hermit from a cosmicplane to safety? and why not just propose balance restrictions to apply to a cubix? I sure want transfix to stop cubixing.

And these attacks don't happen constantly, you really blowing that stuff up, I ran across Daevos in the higher fulcrux 3 or 4 times while trying out Vesar's cubix, and he never once attacked me even though he could totally own me.

Has Ialie been attacked in the fulcrux? or Niara?

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If no-one thinks being able to access all planes and all astral spheres instantly from anywhere other than enemy territory or indoors is not worth the price, they don't have to purchase it.
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The problem is, there are a bunch of people that already purchased it
Unknown2006-02-01 12:13:59
QUOTE(Anisu @ Feb 1 2006, 12:07 PM)
it does change the fact. It limits fast transportation out of half of the prime plane and a cosmic plane. If you consider guild enemyship same as elemental enemy (since vortex hits all city enemies and all that) then you lose cubix there to (and in the mountains of madness that is just for fast transportation as that cave is evil). I wouldn't be able to cubix from I the inner sea even though I get reprieve for avechna I'm still in enemy territory, wouldn't be able to cubix from the sea of despair, etc. These are severe limitations to fast transport.

You can get unenemied to these places if you want to be able to travel unhindered in and out. If you choose not to, then I don't see why you should be able to circumvent the defences that everyone else has to go through.

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explain to me, how do you spore/hermit from a cosmicplane to safety? and why not just propose balance restrictions to apply to a cubix? I sure want transfix to stop cubixing.

Transfixing does stop cubixing, as far as I am aware. Any mental afflictions do.

You cannot spore/hermit to safety, that is my point. Cubix trumps them all.

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And these attacks don't happen constantly, you really blowing that stuff up, I ran across Daevos in the higher fulcrux 3 or 4 times while trying out Vesar's cubix, and he never once attacked me even though he could totally own me.

Has Ialie been attacked in the fulcrux? or Niara?

Ialie and Niara are both pacifists. As far as I know, Niara has never had to actually defend a belief or put those beliefs into practice. That's fine if you want to do that, not all of us do.

I've been attacked in the Fulcrux twice by Ravlok, not having caused any trouble at all recently.

Edit: Also, a possible problem does not need to be fully realized before it is addressed. Just because there haven't been any major issues with the Fulcrux so far, doesn't mean there won't be.

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The problem is, there are a bunch of people that already purchased it
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I know.

I'm one of them.
Anisu2006-02-01 12:30:48
Getting unenemied to those areas (except the kelpies) is not possible.

Transfix doesn't stop cubix, or didn't(if they changed it recently), web does.

wait, you are complaining that one person attacked you... not 5 or so top fighters with a barrier, that seems to me that Ravlok wasn't really waiting but just encountered you there and decided to attack, and it would be really easy to leave as he can't block 3 exits (you could of run to Celestia, to the astral limbo room or to the elemental limbo room). This can happen anywhere, prime, offplane and thus also in limbo, your proposal will not change anything about that.

That Ialie and Niara don't get attacked is because they do not raid. Nobody has a reason to attack them.
Unknown2006-02-01 12:35:18
QUOTE(Anisu @ Feb 1 2006, 12:30 PM)
wait, you are complaining that one person attacked you... not 5 or so top fighters with a barrier, that seems to me that Ravlok wasn't really waiting but just encountered you there and decided to attack, and it would be really easy to leave as he can't block 3 exits (you could of run to Celestia, to the astral limbo room or to the elemental limbo room). This can happen anywhere, prime, offplane and thus also in limbo, your proposal will not change anything about that.

That Ialie and Niara don't get attacked is because they do not raid. Nobody has a reason to attack them.
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Of course Ravlok just encountered me there. I'm not a top-tier combatant. It doesn't take a Titan and barrier to hinder me enough to get a kill in. I don't care that he does so, I care that if he kills me, I pray. No conglutination. No Avenger protection. But that is an issue everyone agreed should not change.

So I'm looking at the underlying problem people mentioned. Cubixes make it too easy to escape. This would fix it, without affecting the original purpose of a cubix.
ferlas2006-02-01 12:44:56
Hmm wings can be stopped by cities in achaea, perhaps something like that implemented in a plane, it must be maintained somehow or something if the cubix is the big pain every one keeps complaining about?
Anisu2006-02-01 13:08:16
QUOTE(ferlas @ Feb 1 2006, 02:44 PM)
Hmm wings can be stopped by cities in achaea, perhaps something like that implemented in a plane, it must be maintained somehow or something if the cubix is the big pain every one keeps complaining about?
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Cubix itself is fine except for a few afflictions that need to prevent the touching.
The main complains are about people that had to pray recently, we are all so spoiled by conglutinate. tongue.gif
Unknown2006-02-01 13:11:44
It is one of the strangest things about Lusternia, people think they have a god given right to never lose XP.
Geb2006-02-01 13:31:35
QUOTE(AlyssandraAbSidhe @ Feb 1 2006, 02:11 PM)
It is one of the strangest things about Lusternia, people think they have a god given right to never lose XP.
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Bingo!
Unknown2006-02-01 15:32:14
I don't see how cubixes not working from enemy territory is going to affect xp loss at death positively...
Narsrim2006-02-01 18:46:54
QUOTE(Avaer @ Feb 1 2006, 07:37 AM)
Not if the cubix is used for what it says it is used for.

Weren't elemental runes downgraded at one point because they had a ridiculous effect on combat?
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If I remember correctly, they were downgraded to stablize other upgrades in general.
Narsrim2006-02-01 18:47:44
QUOTE(silimaur @ Feb 1 2006, 07:38 AM)
the only changes that cubix needs is to not be allowed to work while the user is impaled etc, was a bit strange when i had kharvik completely pinned down and he could still just cubix out, apart from that i dont have any problem with it it works the way its supposed to
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You can't cubix if impaled, bound, paralysed, prone, have certain mental afflictions, off balance, off eq, etc. Kharvik is just a demigod with size 1. He writhes 75x faster than you can impale.
Narsrim2006-02-01 18:50:39
QUOTE(Avaer @ Feb 1 2006, 07:54 AM)
Making it impossible to use to escape enemy territory instantly won't change the fact it is used for fast transportation.

It just won't have an unnecessary combat aspect that trumps spores/hermit/etc. It won't be as incredibly frustrating for defenders who have to watch their raiders escape instantly without normal balance restrictions, and won't cause all cubix owners to have to 'pay' for an unnecessary raiding utility that isn't part of the advertised package.

If no-one thinks being able to access all planes and all astral spheres instantly from anywhere other than enemy territory or indoors is not worth the price, they don't have to purchase it.
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But the think is, people already purchased it for how it is thus the problem. Furthermore, the combat aspect is intended. If it wasn't, this wouldn't be a problem.