Simimi2006-02-05 20:43:06
Hmmm...I dont know anything about Jews, so i got no comment..sorry love
love-mimi
love-mimi
Unknown2006-02-05 21:00:39
It wouldn't be fair to label all Muslims/Arabs that way. Not all Muslims/Arab dispise Jewisih people. It's true the situation has gone out of hand, but that is called the mob mentality, which is a common occurance in any society, not just amoungst Muslims/Arabs.
Also keep in mind that just like Christianity, there are many different types of Muslims. The same religion in a different country may change based on the environment, and you should take that into account.
Also does anyone have a link to the actual comic?
Also keep in mind that just like Christianity, there are many different types of Muslims. The same religion in a different country may change based on the environment, and you should take that into account.
Also does anyone have a link to the actual comic?
Simimi2006-02-05 21:06:26
Thats true love, like the differences are huge between Sunii and Shi'ite Muslims...as are the differences between Morroco (where my teacher is from) and Saudi Arabia...
I would love to see this comic too
I would love to see this comic too
Daganev2006-02-05 21:13:19
Yes, I know its not -all- muslims, however..
Syria - riots and killed a catholic priest
Lebonon - burned down the Danish embassy
Iraq - delcared a boycot on all Danish and Swiss products
Egypt- Threatening boycot if the publications are not punished by the government.
Palestian Authority - Declared that all Danish and Swish and French tourists are to be kiddnapped and ransomed untill the publications appologize.
Pakitstan - Killed a few policement and rioted
And thats just what I've seen from brief glimpses at the TV screen.
here is an image of the cartoon
http://web.israelinsider.com/Static/Binari...artoonart_0.jpg
Syria - riots and killed a catholic priest
Lebonon - burned down the Danish embassy
Iraq - delcared a boycot on all Danish and Swiss products
Egypt- Threatening boycot if the publications are not punished by the government.
Palestian Authority - Declared that all Danish and Swish and French tourists are to be kiddnapped and ransomed untill the publications appologize.
Pakitstan - Killed a few policement and rioted
And thats just what I've seen from brief glimpses at the TV screen.
here is an image of the cartoon
http://web.israelinsider.com/Static/Binari...artoonart_0.jpg
Unknown2006-02-05 21:17:36
Let's not villify a whole religion because of loud groups within it, yeah? Christians, Jews, Muslims, and whichever other religion you want to bring up all have their zealots who give the rest of the group a bad name.
Shikari2006-02-05 21:25:35
What concerns me isn't so much the cartoon itself, which is offensive and never should have been printed - there is a line between freedom of speech and common decency which needs to be respected.
What concerns me has been written many many ways, by many people.
It's a cartoon. One cartoon, drawn by a disrespectful idiot and published by a handful of people. And Iran, currently in the process of developing nuclear weapons, is calling for action against Denmark. Muslim protestors in London are demanding people repeat the July 7th attacks on the Underground.
For the actions of perhaps a hundred individuals, people are publically saying that they want the destruction of thousands. Does this really sound like something Mohammed, Jesus, Bhudda, or whichever god/prophet you follow would REALLY want?
What concerns me has been written many many ways, by many people.
QUOTE
Muslims fly commercial airliners into buildings in New York City. No Muslim outrage.
Muslim officials block the exit where school girls are trying to escape a burning building because their faces were exposed. No Muslim outrage.
Muslims cut off the heads of three teenaged girls on their way to school in Indonesia. A Christian school. No Muslim outrage.
Muslims murder teachers trying to teach Muslim children in Iraq. No Muslim outrage.
Muslims murder over 80 tourists with car bombs outside cafes and hotels in Egypt. No Muslim outrage.
A Muslim attacks a missionary children's school in India. Kills six. No Muslim outrage.
Muslims slaughter hundreds of children and teachers in Beslan, Russia. Muslims shoot children in the back. No Muslim outrage.
Let's go way back. Muslims kidnap and kill athletes at the Munich Summer Olympics. No Muslim outrage.
Muslims fire rocket-propelled grenades into schools full of children in Israel. No Muslim outrage.
Muslims murder more than 50 commuters in attacks on London subways and busses. Over 700 are injured. No Muslim outrage.
Muslims massacre dozens of innocents at a Passover Seder. No Muslim outrage.
Muslims murder innocent vacationers in Bali. No Muslim outrage.
Muslim newspapers publish anti-Semitic cartoons. No Muslim outrage
Muslims are involved, on one side or the other, in almost every one of the 125+ shooting wars around the world. No Muslim outrage.
Muslims beat the charred bodies of Western civilians with their shoes, then hang them from a bridge. No Muslim outrage.
Newspapers in Denmark and Norway publish cartoons depicting Mohammed. Muslims are outraged.
Muslim officials block the exit where school girls are trying to escape a burning building because their faces were exposed. No Muslim outrage.
Muslims cut off the heads of three teenaged girls on their way to school in Indonesia. A Christian school. No Muslim outrage.
Muslims murder teachers trying to teach Muslim children in Iraq. No Muslim outrage.
Muslims murder over 80 tourists with car bombs outside cafes and hotels in Egypt. No Muslim outrage.
A Muslim attacks a missionary children's school in India. Kills six. No Muslim outrage.
Muslims slaughter hundreds of children and teachers in Beslan, Russia. Muslims shoot children in the back. No Muslim outrage.
Let's go way back. Muslims kidnap and kill athletes at the Munich Summer Olympics. No Muslim outrage.
Muslims fire rocket-propelled grenades into schools full of children in Israel. No Muslim outrage.
Muslims murder more than 50 commuters in attacks on London subways and busses. Over 700 are injured. No Muslim outrage.
Muslims massacre dozens of innocents at a Passover Seder. No Muslim outrage.
Muslims murder innocent vacationers in Bali. No Muslim outrage.
Muslim newspapers publish anti-Semitic cartoons. No Muslim outrage
Muslims are involved, on one side or the other, in almost every one of the 125+ shooting wars around the world. No Muslim outrage.
Muslims beat the charred bodies of Western civilians with their shoes, then hang them from a bridge. No Muslim outrage.
Newspapers in Denmark and Norway publish cartoons depicting Mohammed. Muslims are outraged.
It's a cartoon. One cartoon, drawn by a disrespectful idiot and published by a handful of people. And Iran, currently in the process of developing nuclear weapons, is calling for action against Denmark. Muslim protestors in London are demanding people repeat the July 7th attacks on the Underground.
For the actions of perhaps a hundred individuals, people are publically saying that they want the destruction of thousands. Does this really sound like something Mohammed, Jesus, Bhudda, or whichever god/prophet you follow would REALLY want?
Manjanaia2006-02-05 21:27:29
In addition, don't forget that several predominantly Muslim countries are standing against this, which means it is far more widespread than a few zealots.
Simimi2006-02-05 21:35:04
Ohhhh
Muslims in Malaysia continulally kill school children in south Thailand in a war that has been ongoing for sometime now. His Magesty, The King has been trying to repress this, and eventually gave the military control. Malaysian Islamic Jihad has been killing thai school children in south thai for sometime, as well as teachers and monks, smashing bhudda statues and whatnot.
Prawawanee Simimi Wirotesakoon is outraged.
Muslims in Burma use children as weapons, as the burmese dictator piece of that he is has an entire DOCUMENTED ARMY of CHILDREN, which he used to blow up food convoys and border control towers between Thailand and burma.
It is things like this that come close to home for me, It is sad when all of us from all of our homelands can point out a muslim-incited war-thingy that personally affects us or our homeland...you know?
Muslims in Malaysia continulally kill school children in south Thailand in a war that has been ongoing for sometime now. His Magesty, The King has been trying to repress this, and eventually gave the military control. Malaysian Islamic Jihad has been killing thai school children in south thai for sometime, as well as teachers and monks, smashing bhudda statues and whatnot.
Prawawanee Simimi Wirotesakoon is outraged.
Muslims in Burma use children as weapons, as the burmese dictator piece of
It is things like this that come close to home for me, It is sad when all of us from all of our homelands can point out a muslim-incited war-thingy that personally affects us or our homeland...you know?
Aiakon2006-02-05 22:02:47
At the extremity of any religion you get this sort of behaviour. Similarly, religion is used as an excuse for outrages. Rather than pointing the finger at Islam, we might as well just accept that religious extremism in any area is -never- a good thing: it is inevitably anti-freedom. Sure, I can pick out 'muslim' outrages, but there's a fair few 'christian' ones as well. So let's not point the finger too much, eh?
Daganev2006-02-05 22:08:23
Please point out to me which society accepts the violent outcries of thier extermeists?
There are only three I can think of..
The I.R.A
Abortion clinic bombers
Muslims
If Europe will not even stand up for its own right to have a free press, then I don't think there is anything Europe will stand up for, and I wonder how much all those people are going to enjoy being forced to wear burkas.
edit: Its so easy for people to say "Both sides are wrong, or Everybody does that, lets not point fingers." But the truth is, NOT everybody does that, and sometimes, only one side is wrong.
There are only three I can think of..
The I.R.A
Abortion clinic bombers
Muslims
If Europe will not even stand up for its own right to have a free press, then I don't think there is anything Europe will stand up for, and I wonder how much all those people are going to enjoy being forced to wear burkas.
edit: Its so easy for people to say "Both sides are wrong, or Everybody does that, lets not point fingers." But the truth is, NOT everybody does that, and sometimes, only one side is wrong.
ferlas2006-02-05 22:18:22
QUOTE(Kashim @ Feb 5 2006, 07:43 PM) 254356
Could a caricature of a pope be printed? I guess it could. It's the same thing.
Considering there was a caricature of the current pope as a nazi saying unplesent things etc that im not going to repeat and there was little complaint about that Id say there should be no complaint about the prophet.
QUOTE(daganev)
Please point out to me which society accepts the violent outcries of thier extermeists?
There are only three I can think of..
The I.R.A
Abortion clinic bombers
Muslims
I disagree, most of ireland accept that the IRA are a bunch of murdering criminals, but I see your point
I agree completly with shikari though.
Unknown2006-02-05 22:21:06
Actually, didn't IRA announce that they won't fight using terrorist actions and violence anymore?
I vaguely recall something like that but I could be completely off.
I vaguely recall something like that but I could be completely off.
Daganev2006-02-05 22:22:55
Well my point was that the IRA was not supported by the governments, and the Abortion clinic bombers are not supported by governments either.
Muslims however have atleast 10 national governments that I can count off the top of my head that DO support the riots and killings.
I am sure that Muslims in free nations are great people, however out of the so called 1 Billion muslims that were insulted, I believe 80% of those live in countries where the Government supports the actions of people who declare that anyone who insults thier prophet needs to be killed.
On the goodnews, I just heard that in Lebonon the Chief of Police resigned in protest of the protestors.
Muslims however have atleast 10 national governments that I can count off the top of my head that DO support the riots and killings.
I am sure that Muslims in free nations are great people, however out of the so called 1 Billion muslims that were insulted, I believe 80% of those live in countries where the Government supports the actions of people who declare that anyone who insults thier prophet needs to be killed.
On the goodnews, I just heard that in Lebonon the Chief of Police resigned in protest of the protestors.
Everiine2006-02-05 22:43:33
The radicals muslims responded way out of line. How many pictures of George Bush have been printed in US papers that make him look like an idiot, a child, a monkey? Or the pope, yes, he's always a target of political cartoons.
The radicals burn our flags, kill our people and innocent people, and blow up buildings in the name of Allah. Is it justified? Maybe the reasons are there, but NOTHING, and I mean NOTHING justifies these actions. And they are going to play the victim because of ONE stupid cartoon?
They have no grounds for compaint.
You'll notice I used "radicals" instead of "muslims". We in America have our own versions of religious radicals. They are called the Westboro Baptist Church, and on the other side the ACLU. The difference? Neither group kills people.
Print the cartoon. Print it as many times as you can. It will offend the good people of Islam, yes, just as bad cartoons of the Pope offends Catholics. But if we back down from the radicals, more people will die than if we give in to them and let them know we are afraid of them.
Printing the cartoon won't kill people.
Letting the radicals have their way will. I see it as that simple.
The radicals burn our flags, kill our people and innocent people, and blow up buildings in the name of Allah. Is it justified? Maybe the reasons are there, but NOTHING, and I mean NOTHING justifies these actions. And they are going to play the victim because of ONE stupid cartoon?
They have no grounds for compaint.
You'll notice I used "radicals" instead of "muslims". We in America have our own versions of religious radicals. They are called the Westboro Baptist Church, and on the other side the ACLU. The difference? Neither group kills people.
Print the cartoon. Print it as many times as you can. It will offend the good people of Islam, yes, just as bad cartoons of the Pope offends Catholics. But if we back down from the radicals, more people will die than if we give in to them and let them know we are afraid of them.
Printing the cartoon won't kill people.
Letting the radicals have their way will. I see it as that simple.
Roark2006-02-06 02:00:22
I don't get what the big deal is. I remember Andres Serrano's "Piss Christ" alleged art of Jesus on the crucifix dunked in a vat of urine. Tasteless and offensive? Yes. Worth burning buildings over and threatening world war over? No. Though I'm not Christian so maybe I'm not one to judge the proper reaction to that, but still, the Christian reaction I saw seemed much more appropriate than the reaction I'm seeing to these cartoons. It also seems to me that the sort of people who would defend "Piss Christ" as freedom of expression are quick to denounce these cartoons.
Bleh, the world sucks.
Bleh, the world sucks.
Simimi2006-02-06 02:09:37
Dags..
Earth Liberation Front
This Freak (www.godhatesfags.com)
they get by with stuff like that...
Killing in general is never wrong and it is too often the truth people use religion as a shield, problem is the shield gets all the negative bullet holes too...
Earth Liberation Front
This Freak (www.godhatesfags.com)
they get by with stuff like that...
Killing in general is never wrong and it is too often the truth people use religion as a shield, problem is the shield gets all the negative bullet holes too...
Shikari2006-02-06 02:15:03
QUOTE(Aiakon @ Feb 6 2006, 11:02 AM) 254458
Sure, I can pick out 'muslim' outrages, but there's a fair few 'christian' ones as well. So let's not point the finger too much, eh?
I think you are missing my point. I'm not saying 'Christians' have done no wrong, as that is massively far from the truth - large amounts of blame for the problems in the Middle Eastern area today can be traced to the actions of 'Christian' states. What I am saying that it is truly a matter of concern that we see outrage over a cartoon, and not over, say, the slaughter of 186 children in Beslan, or 209 tourists in Bali.
QUOTE(daganev @ Feb 6 2006, 11:22 AM) 254486
Well my point was that the IRA was not supported by the governments, and the Abortion clinic bombers are not supported by governments either.
The IRA was supported (unofficially) by America and that of the Vatican (a nation-state in its own right). In fact, when the NYPD were collecting funds to help bereaved families who had lost parents or children, numerous members of the RUC (Royal Ulster Constabulary) refused outright, as the NYPD had sent its police band to play at the funerals of several noted terrorists during the Troubles in that country.
Diamondais2006-02-06 04:40:38
Its on the Toronto news right now. This stuff is really sad, really really sad.
No, I do not live in Toronto but its close enough that its forcasts might as well be the same here.
No, I do not live in Toronto but its close enough that its forcasts might as well be the same here.
Unknown2006-02-06 05:08:05
Simply more proof that Richard the Lionheart should not have yielded to Saladin in the third crusade.
Simimi2006-02-06 05:13:36
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