Test coming up.... now doing calculations... ( i stiked few times to be sure wich strike is wichout regeneration tick)...

9444h, 2659m, 6762e, 10p, 27075en, 21255w elrxk<>-<13:29:21.909> (0h, 0m, 0e)ii rap

You are wielding:
blue diamond5119 : a silver hunter's rapier in your right hand.
You are holding:
"blue diamond8653" a silver hunter's rapier
You are wearing:
9444h, 2638m, 6762e, 10p, 27075en, 21255w elrxk<>-
The bright sun shines down upon you.
9444h, 2638m, 6762e, 10p, 27075en, 21255w elrxk<>-<13:29:25.374> (0h, -21m, 0e)wp diamond5119

It is a one-handed weapon.
Damage: 102 Precision: 110 Speed: 268
A silver hunter's rapier has the following poisons or magical effects on it:
1) charybdon

WITH HELM - 19 str, War blessing, SURGED
9444h, 2682m, 6762e, 10p, 27075en, 21255w elrxk<>-<13:31:11.897> (0h, 0m, 0e)strike morik chest

Focusing on his chest, you strike at Morik with a silver hunter's rapier, but
your thrust hits his powerful aura and rebounds back into you. The blade
bounces off your sternum, delivering only a shallow puncture.
8677h, 2682m, 6762e, 10p, 27065en, 21255w elxk<>-<13:31:23.894> (-767h, 0m, 0e)

9116h, 2682m, 6762e, 10p, 27065en, 21250w elrxk<>-<13:31:26.608> (472h, 0m, 0e)strike morik chest

Focusing on his chest, you strike at Morik with a silver hunter's rapier, but
your thrust hits his powerful aura and rebounds back into you. Ekard strikes
into your chest and blood foams up from your mouth.
8123h, 2682m, 6762e, 10p, 27065en, 21250w elxk<>-<13:31:27.149> (-993h, 0m, 0e)

8116h, 2659m, 6762e, 10p, 27065en, 21251w elrxk<>-<13:31:30.814> (0h, 0m, 0e)strike morik chest

Focusing on his chest, you strike at Morik with a silver hunter's rapier, but
your thrust hits his powerful aura and rebounds back into you. The blade
bounces off your sternum, delivering only a shallow puncture.
7311h, 2682m, 6762e, 10p, 27065en, 21251w elxk<>-<13:31:31.405> (-805h, 23m, 0e)

8599h, 2658m, 6762e, 10p, 27065en, 21251w elrxk<>-<13:31:34.079> (0h, 0m, 0e)strike morik chest

Focusing on his chest, you strike at Morik with a silver hunter's rapier, but
your thrust hits his powerful aura and rebounds back into you. The blade
bounces off your sternum, delivering only a shallow puncture.
7606h, 2658m, 6762e, 10p, 27055en, 21251w elxk<>-<13:31:34.630> (-993h, 0m, 0e)

8043h, 2660m, 6762e, 10p, 27075en, 21251w elrxk<>-<13:31:37.293> (0h, -22m, 0e)strike morik chest

Focusing on his chest, you strike at Morik with a silver hunter's rapier, but
your thrust hits his powerful aura and rebounds back into you. The blade
bounces off your sternum, delivering only a shallow puncture.
7276h, 2660m, 6762e, 10p, 27065en, 21251w elxk<>-<13:31:38.115> (-767h, 0m, 0e)


NO HELM - War blessing and 19 str still, SURGED
9189h, 2682m, 6762e, 10p, 27075en, 21251w elrxk<>-<13:31:46.857> (472h, 0m, 0e)remove helm

You remove the Blessed Helm of the Supernals.

9444h, 2658m, 6762e, 10p, 27075en, 21255w elrxk<>-<13:32:08.629> (0h, 0m, 0e)strike morik chest

Focusing on his chest, you strike at Morik with a silver hunter's rapier, but
your thrust hits his powerful aura and rebounds back into you. The blade
bounces off your sternum, delivering only a shallow puncture.
8893h, 2636m, 6762e, 10p, 27065en, 21251w elxk<>-<13:32:09.920> (-551h, -22m, 0e)strike morik chest



9081h, 2682m, 6762e, 10p, 27075en, 21255w elrxk<>-<13:32:12.744> (188h, 46m, 0e)

Focusing on his chest, you strike at Morik with a silver hunter's rapier, but
your thrust hits his powerful aura and rebounds back into you. The blade
bounces off your sternum, delivering only a shallow puncture.
8368h, 2682m, 6762e, 10p, 27065en, 21255w elxk<>-<13:32:13.165> (-713h, 0m, 0e)

8812h, 2682m, 6762e, 10p, 27075en, 21251w elrxk<>-<13:32:15.759> (472h, 22m, 0e)strike morik chest

Focusing on his chest, you strike at Morik with a silver hunter's rapier, but
your thrust hits his powerful aura and rebounds back into you. The blade
bounces off your sternum, delivering only a shallow puncture.
8261h, 2682m, 6762e, 10p, 27065en, 21255w elxk<>-<13:32:16.290> (-551h, 0m, 0e)

8260h, 2658m, 6762e, 10p, 27075en, 21251w elrxk<>-<13:32:19.474> (-1h, 0m, 0e)strike morik chest

Focusing on his chest, you strike at Morik with a silver hunter's rapier, but
your thrust hits his powerful aura and rebounds back into you. Ekard strikes
into your chest and blood foams up from your mouth.
7709h, 2658m, 6762e, 10p, 27065en, 21251w elxk<>-<13:32:19.975> (-551h, 0m, 0e)drink health


9444h, 2682m, 6762e, 10p, 27065en, 21251w elrxk<>-<13:32:22.919> (68h, 48m, 0e)strike morik chest

Focusing on his chest, you strike at Morik with a silver hunter's rapier, but
your thrust hits his powerful aura and rebounds back into you. Ekard strikes
deep into your chest, and you grit your teeth as the blade twists violently.
8731h, 2682m, 6762e, 10p, 27065en, 21251w elxk<>-<13:32:23.540> (-713h, 0m, 0e)outr marjoram
eat marjoram

9176h, 2657m, 6762e, 10p, 27065en, 21250w elrxk<>-<13:32:26.364> (0h, 0m, 0e)strike morik chest

Focusing on his chest, you strike at Morik with a silver hunter's rapier, but
your thrust hits his powerful aura and rebounds back into you. The blade
bounces off your sternum, delivering only a shallow puncture.
8625h, 2657m, 6762e, 10p, 27065en, 21250w elxk<>-<13:32:27.185> (-551h, 0m, 0e)

8625h, 2632m, 6762e, 10p, 27065en, 21250w elrxk<>-<13:32:30.039> (0h, -25m, 0e)strike morik chest

Focusing on his chest, you strike at Morik with a silver hunter's rapier, but
your thrust hits his powerful aura and rebounds back into you. The blade
bounces off your sternum, delivering only a shallow puncture.
7912h, 2632m, 6762e, 10p, 27055en, 21250w elxk<>-<13:32:30.790> (-713h, 0m, 0e)drink health

9444h, 2682m, 6762e, 10p, 27075en, 21255w elrxk<>-<13:32:37.290> (0h, 0m, 0e)relax surge

You relax the surge of power through your body, and dwindle to normal
6762h, 5319m, 6762e, 10p, 27075en, 21251w lrxk<>-<13:32:43.278> (-2682h, 2637m, 0e)

NO HELM, NO SURGE, 19 str + war blessing

6762h, 5365m, 6762e, 10p, 27075en, 21255w elrxk<>-<13:32:49.898> (0h, 0m, 0e)strike morik chest

Focusing on his chest, you strike at Morik with a silver hunter's rapier, but
your thrust hits his powerful aura and rebounds back into you. The blade
bounces off your sternum, delivering only a shallow puncture.
6210h, 5365m, 6762e, 10p, 27065en, 21255w elxk<>-<13:32:55.095> (-552h, 0m, 0e)

6530h, 5365m, 6762e, 10p, 27075en, 21255w elrxk<>-<13:32:57.929> (320h, 0m, 0e)strike morik chest

Focusing on his chest, you strike at Morik with a silver hunter's rapier, but
your thrust hits his powerful aura and rebounds back into you. The blade
bounces off your sternum, delivering only a shallow puncture.
6104h, 5365m, 6762e, 10p, 27065en, 21255w elxk<>-<13:32:58.450> (-426h, 0m, 0e)strike morik chest

Focusing on his chest, you strike at Morik with a silver hunter's rapier, but
your thrust hits his powerful aura and rebounds back into you. The blade
bounces off your sternum, delivering only a shallow puncture.
5552h, 5365m, 6762e, 10p, 27065en, 21255w elxk<>-<13:33:01.625> (-552h, 0m, 0e)

5687h, 5365m, 6762e, 10p, 27075en, 21255w elrxk<>-<13:33:04.309> (135h, 0m, 0e)strike morik chest

Focusing on his chest, you strike at Morik with a silver hunter's rapier, but
your thrust hits his powerful aura and rebounds back into you. Ekard strikes
into your chest and blood foams up from your mouth.
5135h, 5365m, 6762e, 10p, 27065en, 21255w elxk<>-<13:33:04.859> (-552h, 0m, 0e)apply health to chest


5455h, 5365m, 6762e, 10p, 27075en, 21255w elrxk<>-<13:33:08.885> (-18h, 0m, 0e)wear helm

You slip into the Blessed Helm of the Supernals.

WITH HELM, NO SURGE, 19 str + war blessing

5455h, 5365m, 6762e, 10p, 27075en, 21255w elrxk<>-<13:33:10.487> (0h, 0m, 0e)strike morik chest

Focusing on his chest, you strike at Morik with a silver hunter's rapier, but
your thrust hits his powerful aura and rebounds back into you. The blade
bounces off your sternum, delivering only a shallow puncture.
4702h, 5365m, 6762e, 10p, 27065en, 21255w elxk<>-<13:33:11.319> (-753h, 0m, 0e)

4702h, 5365m, 6762e, 10p, 27065en, 21255w elrxk<>-<13:33:14.003> (0h, 0m, 0e)strike morik chest

Focusing on his chest, you strike at Morik with a silver hunter's rapier, but
your thrust hits his powerful aura and rebounds back into you. The blade
bounces off your sternum, delivering only a shallow puncture.
4256h, 5365m, 6762e, 10p, 27055en, 21255w elxk<>-<13:33:14.593> (-446h, 0m, 0e)

5875h, 5365m, 6762e, 10p, 27075en, 21255w elrxk<>-<13:33:17.447> (0h, 0m, 0e)strike morik chest

Focusing on his chest, you strike at Morik with a silver hunter's rapier, but
your thrust hits his powerful aura and rebounds back into you. Ekard strikes
deep into your chest, and you grit your teeth as the blade twists violently.
5122h, 5365m, 6762e, 10p, 27065en, 21255w elxk<>-<13:33:17.958> (-753h, 0m, 0e)outr marjoram

5095h, 5365m, 6762e, 10p, 27075en, 21255w elxk<>-<13:33:20.632> (0h, 0m, 0e)strike morik chest

Focusing on his chest, you strike at Morik with a silver hunter's rapier, but
your thrust hits his powerful aura and rebounds back into you. The blade
bounces off your sternum, delivering only a shallow puncture.
4514h, 5365m, 6762e, 10p, 27065en, 21255w elxk<>-<13:33:21.453> (-581h, 0m, 0e)

4514h, 5365m, 6762e, 10p, 27075en, 21255w elrxk<>-<13:33:23.917> (0h, 0m, 0e)strike morik chest

Focusing on his chest, you strike at Morik with a silver hunter's rapier, but
your thrust hits his powerful aura and rebounds back into you. Ekard strikes
into your chest and blood foams up from your mouth.
3933h, 5365m, 6762e, 10p, 27065en, 21255w elxk<>-<13:33:24.407> (-581h, 0m, 0e)drink melancholic

5659h, 5365m, 6762e, 10p, 27065en, 21255w elrxk<>-<13:33:28.453> (0h, 0m, 0e)strike morik chest

Focusing on his chest, you strike at Morik with a silver hunter's rapier, but
your thrust hits his powerful aura and rebounds back into you. Ekard strikes
into your chest and blood foams up from your mouth.
4906h, 5365m, 6762e, 10p, 27055en, 21255w elxk<>-<13:33:29.054> (-753h, 0m, 0e)drink melancholic

SUMMARY:

WITH HELM, 19 str + War blessing, SURGED = 993 damage
WITHOUT HELM, 19 str + War blessing, SURGED = 713 damage

WITH HELM, 19 str + War blessing, UNSURGED = 753 damage
WITHOUT HELM, 19 str + War blessing, UNSURGED = 552 damage

So its +39% to surged and +36% to unsurged.

But i belive that War blessing falsed this test. Someone wichout war blessing test it again.

After those changes to helm when i was testing it was only +20%, so this result confused me. In my first test way back i was using broadsword with a lot more damage, and im pretty sure it was +20%

Looks like a big difference to me.

Exard what was your dex during those tests, because deepwound severity is still calculated by your actual dex mod - its one of the reasons it makes Lobo such a disgustingly awesome race for speed or damage warriors.

Ok narsrim you seem to be going on about that spar a LOT. I can post many many logs where said combo doesn't happen.

Let me detail my strikes for all to hear.

I firstly did 2 crush combo's (8 power) to the head. I was lucky enough to get broken nose on that (the stun)

The next hit was a crush right leg, again, lucky enough to get knockdown, often i don't get knockdown on my first crush, it really depends on a lot of things one of those being time of day.

The last hit, the finisher, was a smite down. You didn't have rebounding up (and if i razed or you did agressive action before my first hit, if you had smoked faeleaf again right after you would have rebounding here) I got lucky both on the fact i hit your head, and it resulted in a bashbrain.

If you had of had rebounding up, i would've had to raze, giving you time to stand, leaving me at 0 power and you standing having your parry and stances active, which if you were good at parrying and stancing you would be stanced legs, parry head 100 (you often complain about bashbrain because according to you "I'm parrying head 100 stance head that's absurd, you should never parry and stance the same limb)

That spar happened like that due to luck going my way, as well as your lack of rebounding.


As an aside, perhaps everyone should be able to wear greathelms, it would alleviate a lot of your problems with getting beheaded in 2 hits (i usually don't get beheaded after 3 with a greathelm)

dex doesn't affect your deepwounds, it only affects the chance of getting better deepwound afflicitons.

My dex is and was 14 all the time, but i dont think it have impact on damage.

Ignore this.

Edit: Actually don't.

It doesn't matter HOW much damage you do as a warrior, unless you have retarded weapons like Diamante's because without decent wound afflictions hindering your opponent you won't keep them still long enough to actually kill them.

Yea its easy to run from warrior, if you want to run.

Yeah it is I hate it. I thought you guys get that carcer thing, though?

Two of the guilds get Carcer, and unless its prepared beforehand, then carcer is power you aren't using on hurting your opponent.

Meh, not really. I'm level 84, and she has 500 more health then me

She have 5 more points in Constitution.

She has a sip penalty though.

Yea, but Acrune would be really nice as Lucisian or human, but he dont want to change.

You can't compare mugwump health to a dracanis, simmi dosnt have level three speed to cover up and support her low health, she also has a sip penility to cope with. Draconis need high health 3k is quite low for a average speed, high constitution race with a sip pen.

The old weapons dont seem that bad, xavius rapiers hardly tickle, and Murphys hammers dont seem to bad really theres plenty of ways of slowing him down, Ive not seen ixion, lycos or diamantes weapons in action yet so I cant comment but Ive heard murphys are ment to be better wounders, This spar where murphy killed you in the 3 combos and a swing was it the one that was posted in the combat logs?

http://lusternia.ire-community.com/index.php?showtopic=6036

If it was that one didnt you agree that you didnt heal with faeleaf correctly and if you had you could have hindered him, and it was pointed out you could stance better to avoid it, fair enough everyone agreeded the stun was overdone but thats a skill/ability thing to be looked at for the envoys not a reason to nerf murphys weapons.

Sorry if im looking at the wrong fight your talking about though.

Ferlas,

I was debating the notion that combat begins at X-level because the assumption there is a basis for a core health to survive. I'm fully aware of the differences between a Dracnari and a Mugwump. While I'm sure we all appreciate you reminding us, try and focus on context.

Furthermore, Murphy now uses hammers instead of his customized, runed flails or whatever primarily because he is aware of how excessive they are and given the concern, he's trying to keep them on a low profile.

The combat was posted on the envoy board as a demonstration of how gross wounding bonuses can be. Terenas, to whom I used to spend a great deal of time talking to, agreed 100% there are some major problems with wounding. There are simply too many wounding bonuses that sum together for absurd combos.

And I don't want to hear any garbage about faeleaf or stancing or parrying. Crushes hit through them. They mean nothing. In every case where I have died to brainbash against Murphy, he goes for knockdown after nailing head the second it hits, he smitesdown head.

And for the record, I always stance legs against Murphy because he only hits two body parts: head and legs.

EDIT:

And for technical reference, that is not the log I'm talking about.

My mistake then, the faeleaf comment was only applicable to that spar as I said sorry If I was talking about the wrong spar. Mind if I could see your log with the fast kill on you? Its always fun ready thoese things.

I thought murphy was using his hammer for training really, I mean hes taught me a bit fighting with both his hammers and his "combat monsters" ?

EDIT: Ah just realised you were talking about the arti hammers and not the training speed ones.



Everyone was saying you needed to be level 70 to start combat, you then said she has the aprox same health as you, I assumed you were comparing health to prove a point








For technical reference sweety the above posts are my context I was disagreing with you when you were seeming to say she should be fine as she she has about the same ammount of health as you. I felt that she would need a lot more than you had due to the disadvantages stated.

smitedown head isn't a sure thing, and neither is knockdown. Also i usually don't crush for the knockdown, it's usually a strike but thats only cause i like to crush head 5 times.

Also narsrim, you are forgetting the fact that i can't crush leg knockdown, and smitedown right away if you have rebounding up, i have to raze first which gives you long enough to get on your feet. You can also shield to have the same effect (do it before you get prone)

Also dude, WTF you know my thoughts now? You know my reasons behind doing things?

Furthermore, Murphy now uses hammers instead of his customized, runed flails or whatever primarily because he is aware of how excessive they are and given the concern, he's trying to keep them on a low profile

^^^ that's you. I don't OWN flails anymore, I stripped them and sold em off so i could trans necromancy again after going back to magnagora. Hammers are my only weapons. Keep up with the times bud. I don't try and keep anything on a low profile, i'm not a low profile person so i'd appreciate the assumptions on your part to stay at a minimum please.

Also, i do not only ever hit 2 bodyparts, i generally hit head, legs and gut because bonecrusher DOESN'T HAVE ANY OTHER USEFUL AFFLICTIONS. Chest afflictions suck, as do the arms. I just don't nail your gut usually because.... I don't need to, you seem to have enough trouble parrying and stancing your legs and yes i have killed you so many times before on a strike knockdown, and then listened to you piss and moan about the fact you were parried head 100 & stanced head, which is the worst possible way you can parry.

ya I was waitintg for the "You're not X level" so... I went to my math professor, with all of these logs and things and he told me I was indeed right that gaining level will not increase nor decrease the damage the only thing will be a slight loss in perentage of the total hp.
He said that my math was correct and he provided an equation to me which shows that if I can not heal back the damage with 3k health I will not be able to when I have 5k health.
I was not arguing about weapons or anything just that the math behind it is such that I can not heal (yes Ixion "Mathematically" I can not do it) out the damage.
Is that not right if I can not do it at 3k, 5k I would not be able to either...? and I -DID- state that the speed was an issue and if i were mugwump I would not have these problems but have others.

I do pretty decent in combat at my level, I even almost killed stangmar (outside of his demesne in the arena...I am proud of that, sure alot of you have taken out people like him load sof times but I do not have trans anything, nor do I have soulles,inquisition,infidel,heretic...I have 14 int dracnari cosmicfire...and aeon) and when I go into the arena with Cooper, we just see how long I can stay alive, so I practice just staying alive alot. I mean yea if I were at 5k health It would be a -little- easier but the damage ratios would remain the same..
I think maybe the issue I was arising was being lost osmeplace..?
love-mimi

Simimi.

More health dont means more damage done to you. Its not equal.
And with more health you will be healing mroe with sparkleberries and regeneration ticks, so you could use some of health applications (that are weak when drinking) and aplly them to cure wounds.

And aslo if you would be able to cure all that warrior throws at you then he have no chance beating you. You can use parry, stances, angel to slow him down, hinder and later kill.

This isn't right. The healing is percentage based, while damage itself does often (but not always!) have a percentage factored in, but it's not ENTIRELY percentage (base damage + some percentage damage). Thus, as you get more health, you'll be able to heal more with each sip / sparkleberry. I can survive far easier against damage things with 5.5k health than I can at 3.5k health.

If healing was a flat amount each time, then yes, he'd be right. But it's not.