Warriors are underpowered?

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Narsrim2006-02-09 05:59:21
Kurt,

Reality check, you are a warrior with a helm. Helms reduce wounding FAR more than great robes, etc.

Any warrior-to-warrior test is not relevant to warrior-to-nonwarrior

QUOTE(Shryke @ Feb 9 2006, 12:56 AM) 256050

Another day, sure... I don't brag about that sorta crap though Narsrim. I don't see why you're trying to pin that on me anyway... Does it pertain to the post much? I would like to think I could get a behead on you if you didn't hinder me at ALL, but the truth is, you can hinder me. I believe I don't puff up much except for when Munsia tries to call me a joke etc. I probably haven't said anything but Nice hindering to you for the last OOC month...


Note that you just asked me to spar a little bit ago but when this is in the spot light, you don't want to... how convient.

The truth of the matter is that in two assaults, I'd be beheaded. We both know it... however, you apparently don't want to say it or have someone post a log because oh noez, the truth might come out.
Orcae2006-02-09 06:00:00
My honest opinion is that I can deal with a warrior much better than a druid. Ciaran's damage may be more, but Munsia's cudgel can do around 800 to my 2782 health (level 73). Along with demesne effects and bleeding, it is just too much for me. wacko.gif
Shryke2006-02-09 06:00:59
I logged off already, and checked the forums.. WTF? Accusing me of all this crap.. Please, you're a freeking joke man, unbelieveable.. Disgusting
Asarnil2006-02-09 06:01:48
QUOTE(Narsrim @ Feb 9 2006, 04:29 PM) 256053

Kurt,

Reality check, you are a warrior with a helm. Helms reduce wounding FAR more than great robes, etc.

Any warrior-to-warrior test is not relevant to warrior-to-nonwarrior
Note that you just asked me to spar a little bit ago but when this is in the spot light, you don't want to... how convient.

The truth of the matter is that in two assaults, I'd be beheaded. We both know it... however, you apparently don't want to say it or have someone post a log because oh noez, the truth might come out.


Greatrobes aren't that shabby for defence - when I switched back to warrior I was still using my great robes + hood and not doing that bad when fighting other warriors.
Narsrim2006-02-09 06:03:44
QUOTE(Shryke @ Feb 9 2006, 01:00 AM) 256060

I logged off already, and checked the forums.. WTF? Accusing me of all this crap.. Please, you're a freeking joke man, unbelieveable.. Disgusting


True or False: Would you likely behead any given nonwarrior in 2 assaults?

QUOTE(Asarnil @ Feb 9 2006, 01:01 AM) 256062

Greatrobes aren't that shabby for defence - when I switched back to warrior I was still using my great robes + hood and not doing that bad when fighting other warriors.


A great helm has almost double the protection of great robes.
Shryke2006-02-09 06:04:42
False, my dexterity is far too low.. Most people with such high wounding (not including Ravlok) have very low dex, so it isn't very likely.
Asarnil2006-02-09 06:20:40
So me picking up 60+/60+ greatrobes means that my protection was half of that you would get from fieldplate/helm? What a load of shit. The average greathelm people use is between 80/80 and 90/90. That means at MOST a set of robes is 1/3 to 1/4 worse than a greathelm. And picking up robes like that isn't that hard - There were 4 of them for 9k in the shop that I got mine from, it just requires you to shop around a bit and only buy ones with stats you like, instead of settling for 40/50ish stats on your robes.
Narsrim2006-02-09 06:22:35
The average great robes aren't 60+/60+. I had 7 pairs enchanted (which cost me like 50k gold) and the best I was 52/56. I believe it is Malicia who had a 95-ish cutting helm because you can rune then and as such, it is roughly double.

EDIT:

Note that great robes were nerfed when splendor was upgraded. There are some old sets still around when amazing stats in shops, but they aren't possible anymore.
Asarnil2006-02-09 06:25:33
Compared to your average fighting warrior who has spent enough gold to build a decent aethership on reforging his armour and weapons...
Narsrim2006-02-09 06:27:12
QUOTE(Asarnil @ Feb 9 2006, 01:25 AM) 256078

Compared to your average fighting warrior who has spent enough gold to build a decent aethership on reforging his armour and weapons...


Please. Most people require almost nothing to reforge because they use all metal weapons. Thorgal told me once that he needed like 30 some leather to reforge full plate from a Glomdoring cartel. 30 freakin leather.

I don't call that excessive.

On the flip side if I get bad robes, I just have to start over and have a whole new set made.
Murphy2006-02-09 06:31:00
QUOTE(Narsrim @ Feb 9 2006, 03:41 PM) 256035

Has anyone noticed that when someone dies to an assault or crush, Murphy's always brings into question stancing and parrying as if it actually mattered?

Seriously, cut the bs. Ciaran goes around bragging to me "I'll just 2 hit behead using assault your later." I'm not joking - he's told Malicia, Munsia, Mitch, and me this at least twice along with a slew of other people... and then you have the nerve to bring up parrying. God, your bias couldn't be anymore clear.


I bring up parrying and stancing when it comes down to bonecrushers usually.

I don't have much to do with 2h weapons, but Narsrim fact is your parrying stancing and woundhealing really blows hardcore, and until you fix it up i maintain you cannot properly have the right point of view on things.

fix your system
Shryke2006-02-09 06:33:31
On another note, I've never two shot beheaded (this one wasn't two shots either Kurt was there)
And yes, when I see you again (or more likely you see me (gem..)) We'll test it.
Murphy2006-02-09 06:34:45
Also was Ciaran says IC is totally different to what he says OOC. At the end of the day he is most likely spreading his own propaganda in an attempt to keep his enemy affraid of him.

I do it often as well, leave IC in game.

EDIT: On another note when you spend 10 power for an allhex and then follow up with aeon, fae and mana drain do you usually get the kill? Against most people yes you would, although some good curers/fighters manage to not die to it. Same goes for assault and crush, its a high power cost but it can't be whored.
Shryke2006-02-09 06:39:42
KneelSuckers.gif
just kidding wub.gif I personally believe I am very respectable IC, though perhaps I get a little rude with Munsia
Murphy2006-02-09 06:44:18
I think Narsrim, the main problem is that you see anything a warrior does that can kill you as 'retarded' and 'overpowered'

Get out of the general IRE mindset, warriors are not meant to suck, you are supposed to be beaten by a good one, and you are supposed to lose occaisionally very quickly to a good one.

The same goes against you, if someone forgets a very minor defence, or heaven forbid have a size thats larger than 13, or forgets metawake or even just has low int, they not only get webwhored into oblivion but you also have a nice easy instakill with plenty of hindering available not to mention sleeplocks. Come now be sensible.

QUOTE(Shryke @ Feb 9 2006, 04:39 PM) 256085

KneelSuckers.gif
just kidding wub.gif I personally believe I am very respectable IC, though perhaps I get a little rude with Munsia


Hahaha i just get very crude with Munsia, it's great detailing things i'm doing to her trophied head, mentioning things such as tight eyesockets, she eventaully gets too grossed out to make coherent arguement
Narsrim2006-02-09 06:48:53
This is a log from no wounds; parrying head 100%; stancing head


QUOTE(Narsrim)

With a focused look, Murphy strikes at you with a brutal war hammer.
Your head snaps back as your skull is crushed hard and fractures, causing your thoughts to spin.
You shrug off the effects of the poison.
4545h, 6493m, 4444e, 6p, 17748en xk-

You flap your arms madly.
4545h, 6493m, 4444e, 6p, 17748en xk- Failed Apply Health

You take out some salve and quickly rub it on your head.
Your double vision subsides as the breaks in your skull fuse together.
4545h, 6493m, 4444e, 6p, 17748en xk-

With a focused look, Murphy strikes at you with a brutal war hammer.
Your head snaps back as your skull is crushed hard and fractures, causing your thoughts to spin.
4314h, 6493m, 4444e, 6p, 17748en xk-

You chew an arnica bud, then spread it on your head.
Your double vision subsides as the breaks in your skull fuse together.
4314h, 6493m, 4444e, 6p, 17748en xk-

You chew an arnica bud, then spread it on your head.
The arnica bud has no discernable effect.
4314h, 6493m, 4444e, 6p, 17748en xk-

You bleed 14 health.
4300h, 6493m, 4444e, 6p, 17748en xk-

The crone crosses her shriveled arms and turns her dark, penetrating gaze upon Murphy.

4300h, 6493m, 4444e, 6p, 17748en xk-

You may apply another salve to yourself.
4300h, 6493m, 4444e, 6p, 17748en xk-

You exert superior mental control and your wounds clot before your eyes.
4300h, 6439m, 4444e, 6p, 17748en xk-

You may eat or smoke another herb.
4300h, 6439m, 4444e, 6p, 17748en xk-

Murphy takes a drink from a diamond vial.
4300h, 6439m, 4444e, 6p, 17748en xk-

You have recovered equilibrium.
4300h, 6439m, 4444e, 6p, 17748en exk-

Your a pooka is wrestling for control of Murphy and cannot command him right now.
4538h, 6514m, 4444e, 6p, 17748en exk-

You raise your arms and dance around Murphy. As you spin faster and
fasteraround him, you feel more and more energized as his skin becomes paler
and paler.
4776h, 6469m, 4444e, 6p, 17748en xk-

Murphy eats a sparkleberry.
4776h, 6469m, 4444e, 6p, 17748en xk-

With a focused look, Murphy strikes at you with a brutal war hammer.
Your head snaps back as your skull is crushed hard and fractures, causing your thoughts to spin.
4545h, 6469m, 4444e, 6p, 17768en xk-

Discontentedly, you mutter, "Why, one of these days, I oughta..." Failed Mending
4545h, 6469m, 4444e, 6p, 17768en xk-

You flap your arms madly. Failed Apply Health
4545h, 6469m, 4444e, 6p, 17768en xk-


With a focused look, Murphy strikes at you with a brutal war hammer.
Your nose is savagely crushed and breaks, causing blood to splurt forth.
4314h, 6469m, 4444e, 6p, 17768en xkp-

You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
4314h, 6469m, 4444e, 6p, 17768en xkp-

A brownie runs up and tickles Murphy's sides.
4314h, 6469m, 4444e, 7p, 17768en xkp-

The rain turns into snow as the temperature drops.
4314h, 6469m, 4444e, 7p, 17768en xkp-

You have recovered equilibrium.
4314h, 6469m, 4444e, 7p, 17768en exkp-

You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
4314h, 6469m, 4444e, 7p, 17768en exkp-

You are no longer stunned.
4314h, 6469m, 4444e, 7p, 17768en exk-

You fondle yourself absently. Failed Apply Health
4314h, 6763m, 4444e, 7p, 17768en exk-

You eat a sparkleberry.
You feel your health, mana and ego replenished.
4776h, 6763m, 4444e, 7p, 17768en exk-

You take out some salve and quickly rub it on your head.
The deep damage in your head partially heals.
4776h, 6763m, 4444e, 7p, 17768en exk-

You eat a stalk of faeleaf.
You already possess the gift of the sixth sense.
4776h, 6763m, 4444e, 7p, 17768en exk-

4776h, 6763m, 4444e, 7p, 17768en exk-

Your a pooka is wrestling for control of Murphy and cannot command him
right now.
4776h, 6763m, 4444e, 7p, 17768en exk-

You raise your arms and dance around Murphy. As you spin faster and
faster around him, you feel more and more energized as his skin becomes paler
and paler.

4776h, 6718m, 4444e, 7p, 17768en xk-

You bleed 104 health.
4672h, 6718m, 4444e, 7p, 17768en xk-

With a focused look, Murphy strikes at you with a brutal war hammer.
Your right leg is elegantly crushed and swept out from under you,
knocking you to the ground.
Hmmmm. Why must everything be so difficult to figure out?
4441h, 6718m, 4444e, 7p, 17768en xkp-

You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
4441h, 6718m, 4444e, 7p, 17768en xkp-

Murphy takes a drink from a diamond vial.
4441h, 6718m, 4444e, 7p, 17768en xkp-

Drawing back on his tiny bow, a pixie shoots an arrow straight at
Murphy.
4441h, 6718m, 4444e, 7p, 17788en xkp-

Murphy razes your speed defence with a brutal war hammer.
4441h, 6718m, 4444e, 7p, 17788en xkp-

You may eat or smoke another herb.
4441h, 6718m, 4444e, 7p, 17788en xkp-

Murphy clenches his fists and grits his teeth.
4441h, 6718m, 4444e, 7p, 17788en xkp-

You are too stunned to be able to do anything.
4441h, 6718m, 4444e, 7p, 17788en xkp-

A banshee stares at Murphy, then suddenly emits a high-pitched screech
at him,causing the colour to drain from his face.
4441h, 6718m, 4444e, 7p, 17788en xkp-

With a heavy overhand stroke, Murphy slams a brutal war hammer down upon
you. Your skull is smited with a numbing blow. You briefly realize the
spray of gore and brains that is filling your field of vision belongs to
you before you die.The blow continues into your body, causing a
sickening cracking and mashing sound. A burst of unbearable pain jolts
through you before it vanishes suddenly,and you realise you have fallen
into the cold embrace of death.

You have been slain by Murphy.


Highlights:

1. I died in under ~15 seconds (it was more like 10, but we'll give a +5 second margin). You can see this quite clearly because I started with 6p (from where I had formerly ran and fully healed) and end with 7p.

2. Parry and stance have no impact against crushes

3. Parry and stance have no impact against attacks while stunned

4. At the very least, I still managed to pull a health application to head (as if it mattered) in the middle of this... which meant nothing

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This just goes to show if you cannot keep a warrior permanently bound, you have no chance against this sort of wounding.

While you can complain about my curing all you want, I beat Daevos in our last FFA 1-to-1. I beat Diamante, Terenas, Deangelo, and Ekard the last times I sparred them too. This is a case clear-and-simple that combat is reduced to 2 marcos that you can spam.

You will note that in between the last combo, Murphy was able to stun/raze/smitedown before stun ended. If I had rebound up (which I didn't), it still wouldn't have meant a damn thing.
Geb2006-02-09 06:51:07
QUOTE(Murphy @ Feb 9 2006, 07:34 AM) 256083

Also was Ciaran says IC is totally different to what he says OOC. At the end of the day he is most likely spreading his own propaganda in an attempt to keep his enemy affraid of him.

I do it often as well, leave IC in game.

EDIT: On another note when you spend 10 power for an allhex and then follow up with aeon, fae and mana drain do you usually get the kill? Against most people yes you would, although some good curers/fighters manage to not die to it. Same goes for assault and crush, its a high power cost but it can't be whored.


4 power is not a lot of power. It also takes a lot less time to regain 4 power than it does to regain 10. Now what I find funny is that in another thread you were complaining about Inquisition. That is skill that requires multiple power expenditures to get to that point. Expenditures that costs more power and takes greater time to complete than 4 power for an assault or crush combo (or 8 power for 4 crushes, 2 assaults).

I just wish everyone would be a bit more consistent in his or her arguments. If it is fine the way things are concerning your crushes since they supposedly can’t be whored, then it is fine the way inquisition is since it definitely can’t be whored.
Serrin2006-02-09 06:56:39
My scimitars are 244 and 236 precision after nightkiss/runes and I would never be able to pull off something like what Murphy just did.

People need to quit lumping 'warriors' together. Lunge doesn't land any of the nasty afflictions on head, and even getting a quick pinleg doesn't put me very high. I'm not going to bleed them out with that, and if I focus too long on other body parts I lose my ability to pinleg again and they can flee or tie me up with afflictions or what not.
Narsrim2006-02-09 07:02:43
I will give you that BMs cannot 2-hit kill someone like some Axelords or Pureblades or 3-combo kill people like some BCs, but Lyco was able to pin leg or impale gut literally every round... of course this was all because of the champion helm, but none-the-less, it is quite lethal to 99% of people when someone hits every 2 seconds for pin/impale... it just isn't as fast.
Serrin2006-02-09 07:04:40
Aye.. I'll agree with you there. Sparring Lyco wasn't ever really that fun heh. Though is Xenthos capable of doing the same thing? He's the only other Faeling we have with nearly as much combat expertise.