Yes, those are like caves/whirlpool but also the archways that go to Faethorn are as well, they technically lead to a stronger denizen area. Technically, not that Ive ever hunted them. Also, Ethereal is not, I repeat -is not-, supposed to act like Water/Earth/Nil/Celestia. Its a different type of plane with its own specialty parts. Ethereal is all one Plane, it encompasses the Etherwilde, the Etherglom, Faethorn, where ever Ethereal Ackleberry was and wherever the other Great Trees used to connect to Ethereal before they were lost. In a way, it also encompasses the Catacombs just as a different continent.

That may be true in politics, but I don't see where that is true in the Histories.

They attempted to heal Earth just as much as they attempted to heal Water before project cosmic hope.

I believe that when Air and Fire get added, you will see connections between all four areas of the Elemental plane.

Catacombs is in Ethereal but not connected to the other areas, so certainly not ALL of Ethereal is one big happy place.

The Catacombs are artificial though. So I'm not sure that really applies.

I didnt say that all of Ethereal was a big happy place, I said that the Plane Ethereal encompassed those four areas. Catacombs was the different continent and Faethorn was the equilivant of the Sea and...the Mountains is it? I never even stated that the Catacombs was directly connected to the three main areas of Ethereal.

And I did mention that at this time we were unable to precieve a direct connection between each plane. And where did anyone mention politics? The only mention of history was really adding in that Faethorn would have been connected in some way to every Great Tree that ever lived. Only the Admin could for sure say "there will be a direct connection between each Elemental plane."

Yes, they tried healing the Elements, they tried Healing the Basin which seems to in some form manifest a part of Elemental plane and Ethereal. Nature be the Forests, Fire the Volcanos, Water the oceans, Earth very earth itself, Air the air we breathe.

Where is this even going? Its gotten way off topic as is, Im no help I know. Yeah to the origional point that might help and save people from several deaths in the future but it can also cause a lot so it would just really balance out in some sense.

How can you -not- have aliases?

Do people really type out commands like "transverse elemental" and "Moondance beam Alyssandria" during a fight?




But they are -not- differant, that's the point, that's why some of the taintyness from the etherglom is in faethorn (if you pay attention to area emotes in faethorn you'll notice it) It's all one big happy forrest (or used to be untill kethuru decided to come and play). The archways are physical structures build by the communes due to the increased fighting to protecte their part of Ethereal, the archways to water/earth are mystical rifts you transverse, it's differant.

Edit: I did a multi quote, woot! now if i can only remember how ...anywho the catacombs... The gods have said before they didn't want it on prime, so they just sorta stuck it on ethereal, it has almost no connection to the natural world (which is even more strange for it to be on ethereal then) It was put it there so it'd be accessable to everyone and be as public as anything on prime. (but with conglu'ing I assume so when the big monsters got ya it wouldn't be as bad.)

They were the tunnels that the Ur'Guard used to get between the villages were they not? Ive always gone by its kinda like the rift system that Serenwilde uses now. Except Kethuru came to play, as you put it Wesmin and seems to work , and it became all evil and undead filled with horrible creatures that render the living and the undead living to pieces if they can.

Thats just my characters justification of how it could exist there, and Ive thought of it like that for a long time.

Alias arent needed to play this game, Ive alwasy typed out full TRANSVERSE ELEMENTAL, ENTER GATEWAY, etc. even in a fight, sure takes me a few seconds to get it and I usually die but it is duable without alias.

Hmmm, Urlachs use of the undead was never not a part of nature... so I'm a bit confused on that point... anyway..

The mountains of madness on earth, are a completly seperatte area from the rest of earth, you can't even see the people on who. Its very strange. You have to tesseract to get out even I think, I'm not sure you can teleport out of hte mountains of madness...

unless there is still some connection between Serenwilde and Glomdoring on prime, like a giant mushroom underneath or something, I think they should be seperate pockets of eathereal requireing transvese or special planar abilities to go between them.

Eh? I wasn't saying that using the undead is unnatural, I'm just saying the catacombs are artificial. TO MY KNOWLEDGE they weren't always on the Ethereal, they were put there somehow.

And no, Daganev, you can teleport from the mountains of madness to the rest of the earth plane provided you have planarsight. I -swear- you used to be able to port from earth to water too, but you can't now, and I could be wrong on that one.

How else would the Ur'gates work?

Before Shalach was openeed and I was researching the Ur'gates and how the Ur'guard of old traveled quickly between villages, I was only able to imagine rifts to Ethereal via obelisks.

The only other option would be a plane of the "Underworld" but it would not have been hard for them to just make a new plane of the underworld isntead of sticking it on faethorn... Just like they have the spirit plane for Toscha. And I don't recall there being a special underworld plane anywhere in the histories.

I think the Ur'gates were artificial as well.

EDIT: OMG! Estarra reverted the "huh" smiley back to before it had a sign! Kickass! I hated the other one.

I suppose they could have travelled through the Aetherways, but otherwise, Ethereal is the only logical place for the Catacombs to be based on what they're supposed to do.

Ive said it elsewhere on this Forum many times Daganev, I am not the smartest person in the world. A lot of the times I need to say obvious stuff, I need look at something as if its super complex when it may be excedingly obvious. Thats just one example of me doing it. The Vernals were said to know somewhat of the Ethereal plane, maybe the Death Vernal (I am honestly too lazy and tired to look up names right now so please forgive me) created the Catacombs of the dead and didnt entirely know He had breached the Ethereal Plane, maybe He did. Who can know for sure right? Unless we do find some evidence on why its there for an IC reason rather than an OOC reason its all just theories on how it got there.

Just to quote my World History teacher;


This certainly seems true, what do we know about pre-basin history? Very little, the areas we once lived in are destroyed and abandoned. We cant even say where some Vernals were raised exactly, who some were, what Edifice of Power they used. What happened to the races? What are the names of the ones we dont know? What about the Elders? Were only starting to get into that. Basically said, were still learning the reasons behind everything and it will take our characters many years to know more.

One final quote from my teacher:

Ethereal is a reflection of all forests in existance, thats why Glomdoring and and Serenwilde both appear there and it's why Ackleberry will appear there when it returns, they all share the same place.

Elemental planes on the other hand don't, they both exist in elemental Aetherspace but are two seperate planes, it's not like your teleporting across to another place in the same plane, you have to actually move out of your current plane to another in the same aetherspace.

Is that true with the current Aethership? It looked like both Water and Earth are accesible through the same Elemental portal in Aetherspace.

I ment to check this the moment you mentioned that, but still haven't been able to finagle a ship to take me to elemental. But I will.

Umm... the Black Nest and the Hallow of the Last Standing Stone are both part of Etherglom and Etherwilde - they aren't different LOCAL AREAS, much less different CONTINENTS. You didn't know that? The archways are just the same as the whirlpool and the cave - you aren't changing planes, hence no transversing. Transversing means to go from one PLANE to another, ADJACENT plane. Water and Earth aren't adjacent, hence why you can't transverse from one to the other.

Regarding elementalspace - just because they are in the same sea doesn't make them adjacent. That's like saying America is adjacent to Japan since they are both on the Pacific, and you can sail from one to the other, so therefore they are the same landmass. Sorry, that just doesn't work, or even make any sense whatsoever.

I assumed the urgates were the aetherways, like where our ships our and where are masnces are?

Hmm would earth plane be adjacent to fire and air plane though? like in a circle earth opposit water, so I could hop from earth to air to water?

Simple IG reason for why the commands will never have names: "This is the first time I've seen this archway, or I've forgotten where it goes. I'm still going to enter that damned archway even if I don't know where it leads due to the fact that there are no signs telling me where it goes."

It doesn't have to be exclusive.

ENTER ARCHWAY can work.

ENTER ARCHWAY TO FAETHORN can work.

ENTER ARCHWAY TO NIL asks, what on earth are you trying to do?

It would save all those poor novices I have to keep telling "nooo stay away from the glom archway or you will be insta-totemed. Still, I'm with you on this.

Edit:To address others, the archways between etherwilde-faethorn-etherglom are just that, an archway, physical things that help to protect from incursons of the staff/cudgel nature, mostly.