Influencing 'Undead villages'

by Daganev

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Narsrim2006-02-16 12:00:47
Malicia's anti-Seren moments are really just "I'm totally upset with Munsia or Narsrim at the moment." We always kiss and makeup, and it is totally ok and back to normal after that.

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Sidra2006-02-16 12:02:57
QUOTE(Narsrim @ Feb 16 2006, 03:52 AM) 258883

Geomancers practice and dabble in taint. Have any of them suddenly turned undead? No. They, unlike all others, actually call down the taint from within them onto a location.

Likewise, Viscanti are tainted. This was verified through Lisaera, who said they are in fact still and will always be tainted. A viscanti is not by default undead either.

Thus, there is likely some third, unknown variable that accounts for why Brennan Rowena are undead... maybe a ritual Rowena performed, etc.
Someone has issues when it comes to confessing they are mistaken.

Sidra,

I'm actually curious to who you alt was/is. You keep bringing up the point that he/she did this/that. This gives you an unfair advantage in the discussion because you certainly know who I am, who Elryn is, etc... but we don't know exactly who you are.

Do tell.


Are we forgetting Ladantine? He turned undead through his contact with the Taint.

And I admit that Lisaera said they are not undead. However, based on the facts, Chuchip should be Undead, as his situation is no different than the Ghosts of Paavik, as far as my opinion is concerned. That doesn't mean i'm mistaken. It means a single Divine doesn't agree - but the opinion of a single Divine is not necessarily how things actually are. The reason for Chuchip not being undead (actually, he can't be influenced at all, to even see if he is undead or not) could be numerous.

And as for who my alts have been in the past, I've got no reason to do any such thing, especially with someone like you who takes OOC into the game.
Narsrim2006-02-16 12:11:07
I think of Ladantine more as an undead spirit (similar to Paavik). He doesn't exist in his state of undeath because of the Taint, but rather because he feels his purpose isn't finished, etc. The same is true with Marilyth... and truthfully, she's as "undead" as he is.

And based on your *opinion* Chuchip should be undead, but that's hardly based on any fact other than assumptions/opinions. As for your inability to concede on this issue, I do wonder why you can't just wise up and realize that Chuchip was never meant to be undead. He was not coded to be undead. He is defined IC as not being undead. No amount of you wishing he is is going to change this.

And truly, what have I taken OOC in game? You seem to have some secret agenda against me, which is fine. I do love this more than you might think as I like to play this little rant games on forums to pass the time... but truth be told, if you are going to try and smear my name with all your accusations, assumptions, and opinions - many of which you state as "fact," I would appreciate you cut the bs and show yourself for who you are. I sense lingering issues with you... perhaps I killed one of your alts or enemied you to Serenwilde or something... this warpath you are on definately has some basis outside of this thread.
Unknown2006-02-16 12:13:09
QUOTE(Sidra @ Feb 16 2006, 07:02 AM) 258887

Are we forgetting Ladantine? He turned undead through his contact with the Taint.

And I admit that Lisaera said they are not undead. However, based on the facts, Chuchip should be Undead, as his situation is no different than the Ghosts of Paavik, as far as my opinion is concerned. That doesn't mean i'm mistaken. It means a single Divine doesn't agree - but the opinion of a single Divine is not necessarily how things actually are. The reason for Chuchip not being undead (actually, he can't be influenced at all, to even see if he is undead or not) could be numerous.


First of all please read my post, as I answer the 'Chuchip' issue in it.

Secondly Ladantine got a full blast of kethuru, while on a node on astral. Any geomancer (and, might I add, true auskulis followers as well) will argue the taint has "changed" since then.

QUOTE(Narsrim @ Feb 16 2006, 07:11 AM) 258891

I sense lingering issues with you...


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Sidra2006-02-16 12:19:55
QUOTE(Narsrim @ Feb 16 2006, 04:11 AM) 258891

I think of Ladantine more as an undead spirit (similar to Paavik). He doesn't exist in his state of undeath because of the Taint, but rather because he feels his purpose isn't finished, etc. The same is true with Marilyth... and truthfully, she's as "undead" as he is.


Err.. Read the histories. Ladantine was Undead at the time when he came down from Astral.



QUOTE(Wesmin @ Feb 16 2006, 04:13 AM) 258892

First of all please read my post, as I answer the 'Chuchip' issue in it.

Secondly Ladantine got a full blast of kethuru, while on a node on astral. Any geomancer (and auskulis followers as well) will argue the taint has "changed" since then.
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there is a difference between Kethuru's Taint and the modern taint. Kethuru's Taint created Ladantine, Rowena, Brennan, the Glom zombies, Gravediggers, and whatever else.

And my only lingering issue with Narsrim is the fact that he finds it fun to try and break people, both in game and out of game. I don't like people like him. There doesn't need to be anything beyond that.
Shorlen2006-02-16 12:20:15
Not to butt in, but....

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All of you.

and me, but I'm special cloud9.gif
ferlas2006-02-16 12:21:12
QUOTE(Narsrim @ Feb 16 2006, 09:08 AM) 258802

Excuse me? Your continual inability to factor general feasibility into an argument is astounding. You seem deluded in the idea that if something is mechanically possible then it is a god sent advantage. However, you cannot seem to grasp or even consider other facets that factor into the influencing process - which is sad.

By your rationale, Glomdoring (if organized) should be pounding away at Angkrag. Well my dear, why hasn't Glomdoring done so? If Glomdoring is so stepping out of Magnagora's shadow, why is there absolutely no effort to go after Angkrag?

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Once the cloaks are out then there is another matter of recollecting and storing them, etc.

In sum, the overall feasibilty of managing a constant supply of cloaks to people who need them and burning the power to continually make them isn't very practical versus a huge group of people who can innately influence dead.

And as we know, even if Geomancers can't influence undead, they can debate and provide secondary support.

This isn't a matter of "everyone" being able to influence undead from a given organization. It is a matter of "enough" them being able to influence while the rest can provide secondary support to help brace the village for a given organization.


I thought the point of this argument was about mechanical possibility? IE ankrag being an undead villiage and the use of crow cloaks?

Yea I agree glomdoring if organised could be pounding away at ankrag as you put it, As I understand it glomdoring hasnt been very organsied compared to the powerhouses like magnagora who have exceptional single fighters who also know how to work together very well.

I dont see a problem with the power though, I mean assuming a crow cloak costs 10 power to make (no idea just guessing?) I can then hunt myself enough essence to make 10 cloaks in one hour or under assuming Im not unlucky getting lost in the earth cave and you can save them in a guild shop where multiable people can gain access to it, this dosnt even count the people who will maintain their own crow cloak.

Yup I agree with you on the last part in a way, but three guilds being able to infulence is better than two. The fact that glomdoring potentially can get more infulencers into ankrag than magangora dosnt mean much if magnagora outnumbers us and can easily force us out of the villiage, Kaevas pretty much took on 4 of us on his own and got away with a power node once.

As I said I thought this was about possibility? If magnagora and glomdoring were completly equal in numbers and strength/skill of fighters/infulencers/debators the fact that glomdoring could field more infulencers would mean glomdoring has the mechanical hard coded advantage over an undead villiage.
Narsrim2006-02-16 12:24:17
QUOTE(Sidra @ Feb 16 2006, 07:19 AM) 258893

And my only lingering issue with Narsrim is the fact that he finds it fun to try and break people, both in game and out of game. I don't like people like him. There doesn't need to be anything beyond that.


Let me guess... Jai? I'm really just throwing a name up, but sounds familiar. Pentu? You are definately someone from Glomdoring as I catch the reference.
Sidra2006-02-16 12:29:20
QUOTE(Narsrim @ Feb 16 2006, 04:24 AM) 258900

Let me guess... Jai? I'm really just throwing a name up, but sounds familiar. Pentu? You are definately someone from Glomdoring as I catch the reference.


Might as well stop guessing, hon, as i've never clashed with you ICly. My characters have been primarily Seren and Celestian.
Narsrim2006-02-16 12:31:07
QUOTE(Sidra @ Feb 16 2006, 07:29 AM) 258904

Might as well stop guessing, hon, as i've never clashed with you ICly. My characters have been primarily Seren and Celestian.


It seems so odd that if such is the case you feel the need to keep such identity hidden.
Unknown2006-02-16 12:31:23
QUOTE(Narsrim @ Feb 16 2006, 07:24 AM) 258900

Let me guess... Jai? I'm really just throwing a name up, but sounds familiar.


I was thinking pentu actually, but she has a Forum name already doesn't she?

As per Narsrim in particular when he sees things that are completely utterly -wrong- he says something about it.

I know I've stated a few things in the past that he ripped apart, not because we're on opposite sides IC, but because I was wrong. I'm man enough to admit that, even if I don't like being wrong. mellow.gif


Ok... to sum up.(and get out of the dangerous 'personal attack' zone you two are floating towards, which would get this beautiful thread locked)

Undead:Ladantine, Rowena, Pavvik ghosties, random nihilist zombies they can make, random skellies in glomdoring, liches.

not Undead:Chuchip

The differance between them stated as being the fact that they should, or should not be in the present state of the cycle of life that they are stuck in(whether by their own actions of the actions of others towards them)
ferlas2006-02-16 12:38:13
QUOTE(Narsrim @ Feb 16 2006, 12:31 PM) 258906

It seems so odd that if such is the case you feel the need to keep such identity hidden.


Some people are unable to seperate IC from OOC shes got the right to leave her name in game to avoid these people.

Ya but im with wesmin here quit bicking and play nice kids and fear glomdorings mastery over the undead tongue.gif
Narsrim2006-02-16 12:50:22
QUOTE(ferlas @ Feb 16 2006, 07:38 AM) 258912

Some people are unable to seperate IC from OOC shes got the right to leave her name in game to avoid these people.

Ya but im with wesmin here quit bicking and play nice kids and fear glomdorings mastery over the undead tongue.gif


Heh. Ok, I promise to play nice smile.gif

Although back to the Glom thing, I tried to get Xenthos to explain it to me once IC and it was more of a... it just is sorta thing. He didn't like or press the idea of Glomdoring now being associated with undead.
ferlas2006-02-16 12:58:13
Yea well roleplays a different matter, I dont see much of a problem with us taking ankrag other than magangora smooshing us. Unless ankrag is like a really openly tainted villiage? As in the mobs talk about being tainted etc etc?
Narsrim2006-02-16 13:00:08
The mobs are actually Magnagora citizens... who were pushed there because they were all gross lich-like instead of subtle and such.
Aiakon2006-02-16 13:14:53
QUOTE(Narsrim @ Feb 16 2006, 11:52 AM) 258883

Geomancers practice and dabble in taint. Have any of them suddenly turned undead? No. They, unlike all others, actually call down the taint from within them onto a location.


Aiakon would object to that.. he would say that rather than calling the Taint from within us, we merely call forth the latent taint that exists in ALL earth because of the Tainting of the Earth Plane. We take that little germ of Taint within everything earthen and magnify it and bring it out.

The Undeadness was something that happened when the Taint first appeared and Kethuru still controlled it. With regards Liching.. I believe that the Ur'Guard and Nihilists can do that because the Demon Lords taught em how to. (I don't pretend to be an authority on this.. because I haven't taken the time to check that, and so I might be completely wrong.) And yes, us Viscanti are tainted but not necessarily dead. More's the pity. Aiakon would rather like to be dead.. then he could achieve his lifelong ambition of draining all the water from his body and leaving just a dried up earthy husk.. thus he would achieve Earthen perfection.
Unknown2006-02-16 13:27:53
QUOTE(ferlas @ Feb 16 2006, 12:58 PM) 258918

Yea well roleplays a different matter, I dont see much of a problem with us taking ankrag other than magangora smooshing us. Unless ankrag is like a really openly tainted villiage? As in the mobs talk about being tainted etc etc?

It's tainted underground, isn't it?
ferlas2006-02-16 13:30:15
QUOTE(Narsrim @ Feb 16 2006, 01:00 PM) 258920

The mobs are actually Magnagora citizens... who were pushed there because they were all gross lich-like instead of subtle and such.


Ah right so basically they do say, ah look at us we are tainted?
Narsrim2006-02-16 13:53:10
QUOTE(ferlas @ Feb 16 2006, 08:30 AM) 258929

Ah right so basically they do say, ah look at us we are tainted?


I've been enemied so long, I can't remember... but from what I can recall a year ago, yes.
Xenthos2006-02-16 15:29:58
QUOTE(Narsrim @ Feb 16 2006, 07:50 AM) 258915

Heh. Ok, I promise to play nice smile.gif

Although back to the Glom thing, I tried to get Xenthos to explain it to me once IC and it was more of a... it just is sorta thing. He didn't like or press the idea of Glomdoring now being associated with undead.


I think this varies from character to character in the Glomdoring, but Xen really doesn't like undead. He finds them to be filthy, disgusting, and unnatural (yes, yes, you all say the Wyrd is unnatural... hmph!). Anyhow, he accepts that he has some control over the undead (due to Crow's cloak), but that makes the undead more like tools than anything that we seriously need to respect or wish to associate with.

Rowena reinforces this impression every single day. I'm still trying to figure out how to permanently kill her. If any Shade acted like she did, they'd be ostracized in a heartbeat. When it comes to spitting in people's faces, there is NO rank appropriate for this.

Anyhow, just stopping by for a brief moment since you're talking about me. ninja.gif