Daganev, he's not saying that he wants the village or wants to influence it- he's saying that he doesn't want Angkrag to revolt at the same time as Dairuchi, because all four organizations will go to Dairuchi and then, whoever wins, Magnagora most likely gets Angkrag.

Hmmm, maybe I should start asking for changes that say that each person you have in your community decreases the influence power of a single person infleucning. So if your commune has 10 people in it, each person's influence is worth 10 points, but if you have 100 people in it, each person's influence is worth 1 point.

After all, its not fair that those places who have a more active people around when the village happens to revolt gets to have the village for free.

Any village that revolts the same time as Akngrag will have that situation.

If its such a free village, then why have it revolt at all?

However, the ability to gain more active members in a city/commune is not restricted by a game mechanic, thus there is no link. You are comparing apples to oranges.

Your right, my argument is stronger because there is NO game mechanic to increase population and population is basically an OOC thing.

Afterall, Game Balance > realism.

If by stronger you mean retarded then yes. Very much so.

The Only thing preventing the rise in population is politics.

the only thing making Ankgrag "free" is politics.

You would have a stronger argument if you suggested that Ankgrag never revolt at all.

I would love to post in this thread in response to Daganev's.... err..... logic, but there's that silly rule against personal attacks

I will remind everyone arguing against him to remember how often he changes his opinion, or admits that he is wrong and others are right. There is really no need for this, Narsrim. Daganev, as a man of integrity, would never stoop so low as to listen to what you (or anyone else) is saying.

This same argument could be used to support any organization having a monopoly such as Serenwilde's former monopoly of alchemy. Furthermore, Xethos has already suggested Glomdoring would/has banned the sell of crow cloaks. Thus, the ability to aquire them isn't realistic or feasible.

Finally, even if it was you have to take into consider that crow cloaks don't last forever. The have to be constantly re-created. Given villages can enter play at various times, it would essentially require Serenwilde and Celest to have access at any given time. That's not reasonable. That's not fair. That's not even going to happen given how rare Crow users are.

Was about to say the same thing... Anyways, how about we all stop for a moment and view the other side's proposal?

Daganev wants the status quo, stating we're too lazy to get Ankrag and make up an RP reason.
Narsrim wants Ankrag to not be a "free village" so politics will be a little bit more fair in his opinion.

Vix may have inserted a little bit of bias, but she's sure no one really minds.

Yeah, this post was worthless. Carry on with the argument.

Wow, and to think I just getting 'smeered' for chaning my opinion too much in the other thread...


It would be MUCH better for Glomdoring if the Crow Cloaks did not exist, and if influencing the undead was not an option.

I'm not so sure it would be better for the game however.

Games get boring quickly when you force people into thier boxes and don't really give them any reason to ever move out of them.

It would also make more sense to Open up a new village completely, and just have Akngrag never revolt and always belong to Magnagora, then you wouldn't have to worry about anyone 'going against thier rp'

It was illegal to sell crow Cloaks when Nyla was offering them to Malicia. It didn't stop him from doing so.




Its really getting tiresome hearing people say that the only "fair" way is Serenwilde's current RP stance. Never seem to care about how these things affect other places.

If I RP that I want to piss everyone off, I would ruin the game for myself.

Case in point, Visaeris.

Now, if I RP that I hate the taint, I'm gunna put that tainted village out of my grasp.
You want to keep your anti-taint RP, but you don't want to keep the consequences.

However, this is ignoring the fact that ZOMG!!! THERE COULD BE A REASON YOU WANT TO TAKE ANKRAG!!!
Now, I don't *really* know what makes serenwilde tick, but heres a few ideas:

- Exploit the village for its goods.
- Try to cleanse the village (You would need them to accept you as their leader in order to securly perform the ritual.)
- Use it as a base in order to spy on Magnagora (they wouldn't suspect a tained viscanti to be an operative of serenwilde).

Naturally, your not gunna agree with any of these paticular ideas. However, my point is you can come up with a reason why it would be good to have Ankrag.

As for wearing the crow feathers...
Well, if your wearing an animal skin, that means the animals dead.

You can justify almost anything.

The games is worse when people abandon roleplay to explore the outside of their box too.

Aetolia is filled with sun-and-fire loving vampires who want to spend their days tinkering with their magic flower pot. While these people have certainly escaped their "box," they are the reason vampires ruined Aetolia. This is also the same reason why Achaea has divine monitoring of necromancy/devotion where if you act "outside" the box, you lose it for good.

That actually wasn't my bias. I put in a little "in his opinion." But anyways, tell us then how our stance will affect other places?

Daganev, please read in the other thread the most viable way that crow cloaks will be obtained if we have to obtain them. If you support this, then I suppose that method is okay.

Like Xenthos or Richter?



Do you know that villages can revolt if you do stuff like this? Rockholm once became offended because Serenwilde made a deal with Magnagora and rejected us.

Obviously, roleplay maters.

100% Irrelevant.

No, it is a prime example of what happens when people abandon roleplay, which you advocate.

Which other thread?

I've been arguing that the best way for Celest to get Crow Cloaks is from a black market. Where its Illegal to sell them, and illegal to buy them.

Shame there's not a smiley to do with speaking to a brick wall.

The best way for Celest to get Crow cloaks is to lock someone down with afflictions and steal all their items, actually. Which is what Shorlen is speaking about.