You mean like a member of a Commune Worshiping A City?

Vampires Loving Fire is the opposite of who they are.
Necromancers doing good acts, and Devotion users doing evil acts, is the opposite of who they are.

Communes helping Supernals are the opposite of who they are..

doesn't seem to bother you too much.. You found an RP way around it...

I have not nor have I EVER suggested Abandoning RP...

I have said you need to weigh your priorties and choose which one you want. But you have to akngolwedge that its a choice that you make, and live with it.

That isn't true at all. Why pay money for something you can steal from near-novices with so much less effort? As stated in the thread started by Estarra, this is by far the most viable way that the Seren and Celest can influence the undead. Pin down some very young Glomdorians and steal their cloaks. If they whine or quit Lusternia like the one did I 'borrowed' my cloak from, well, we had no other choice.

Answer my question:

How feasible is it for Serenwilde or Celest to aquire enough crow cloaks to equally compete against Magnagora or Glomdoring for Angkrag when the sell of said cloaks is offically banned by Glomdoring?

Ahh, hadn't thought about that.. Your right, you have pookas, you can steal cloaks! Even better!



I don't know, how feasible is it for Glomdoring to make enough crow cloaks to equally compete against Magnagora?

Not very.

Serenwilde doesn't help defend Celestia. Munsia and Narsrim do. Munsia and Narsrim are also Veradins of Lord Hajamin.

Likewise, I would imagine if members of Fain's Order were in Serenwilde, they may do what you have suggested except they'd be immediately kicked out.



Did someone say this earlier in the thread? I think Narsrim did.... scary.

Not too difficult actually, at least for Serenwilde... use the extra numbers to tie people down, kill them, steal / buy even 2 cloaks, and moonbeam around from undead to undead. Of course, this requires having a HUGE numbers advantage, but it is possible.

Not really possible for any of us to have enough to equally compete against Magnagora, but such is life. We can only do our best.

If you don't want to use cloaks because of rp reasons, same reasons should make you not even want to try to take Angkrag.

Well, we have weighed our priorities and we certainly don't want Ankrag because of our RP. If you can think of a feasible RP reason for us to influence it, please tell us. Most people just don't want Magnagora to have a village that no one else wants.

Thank you.

This was a huge part of my point: Magnagora gets a free village. I don't even care about that. My concern was that if Dairuchi/Angkrag rebelled at the same time, Magnagora would not be in the "paired village" dilemma that others are when say Delport/Stewartsville rebel together.

I think this grew out of Estarra's thread on village influencing changes in which Dairuchi and Angkrag revolt in a pair. In that situation, all four organizations would try for Dairuchi and once it's over with Magnagora would take Ankrag basically without competition.

EDIT: And hello, I was ninja'd...

Did Bloodloch start following the Fire gods or were those just individuals who happened to have allegiances to flowers and fire?

Wow! So apparently, Munsia and Narsrim are the equivilent of Flowerpot loving Fire worshiping Vampires in Aetolia!

Now, whos abandonning RP? Seems like your charachter is the quitisential example of a charachter not fitting into thier 'box.' Kudos.

I don't see how Glomdoring has any chance at all of influencing Angkrag if Serenwilde or Celest also wished to influence it. It's so easy for a group of people to steal everything someone has if they are trying, and the Glomdorians need to have the cloaks to influence. So, while Glomdoring and Serenwilde/Celest fought over the cloaks, Magnagora would just influence the village.



Stop the personal attacks, Daganev. They are unwarrented.

I'm not sure.. I don't even know why Serenwilde wants as many villages as they do have.

Celest and Magnagora I understand.. the communes, I don't.

I don't exactly understand the Aetolia reference but this seems like an abusal of the transitive property. Almost like saying:

Politician A is not in favor of gun control.
Guns kill people.
Politician A kills people.

WTF?

Except Hajamin isn't anathema to everything Serenwilde stands for, so your "point" is moot really

Woo, faulty syllogisms! Does this mean that Politician A is really guns in disguise?

Any member of Bloodloch who followed Rahn would have been removed instantly, killed, and then perma enemied to the city. I say this given Zoriah and I ran the city for almost 10 years.

Your opinion that Serenwilde and the Moondancers are opposed to Lord Hajamin are false. There is a neutral stance. The embodiment of Honor, Courage, Strength, etc. do not conflict with Nature. Serenwilde to Hajamin != Bloodloch to Rahn.

While yes, Narsrim has been put in situations where he's had to help defend Celest, his motivation is that he's still actively fighting against Magnagora and upholding Lord Hajamin's standards. There were also times where I really didn't want to defend, but I was told I had to do so. If I had refused, Hajamin would have likely either A) transported me into battle anyways B) killed me for not following orders because he was big into that.

Aha, that's the word. Been a while since my Civics class lesson in 7th grade on propaganda.

Umm.. its quite simple.

Narsrim argued that Vampires in Aetolia who Love Fire, Ruin the game because they RP outside the box.

I was just saying that Commune Members who protect and worship City Gods, are the same as Vampires who worship Fire gods.

Thats all.