Your claim, however, is not accepted by the people who would make or uphold that decision. Bloodloch felt Rahn was against them. Serenwilde does NOT feel Hajamin is against them.

Thus, your point is moot.

According to the Histories, Cities and communes do not mix... Its personal RP choices by players that made the politics such that Celest and Serenwilde do mix.

There are many instances in the game that if Merloch had wanted to, he could have set it up so that Serenwilde hated Celest for its very existance. But that argument is niehter here nor there...

My point, was that players decide the politics and RP reasons of the communes, Not game mechanics. And Game mechanics should not be changed to fit the desires of the current leadership of the communes/cities.

I am perfectly aware. I remember when Rockholm and Southguard both revolted because of that treaty.
This would have worked for that instance, and this - Don't make it public. If you had the treaty posted on the Serenwilde boards and the Magnagora Boards, rather than the public board, the villagers wouldn't have found out.
If your using someone, you don't TELL them that your using them, usually, unless you don't need them.

And yes, I understand.. Afterall you had to stop worshiping Fain because they wouldn't let you, so you found a new city god to worship.

Sounds good, but it would require those mechanics to be completely neutral and immune to major RP changes. I don't think it's possible.

So by your logic anyone in a city who follows Elcyrion or Shikari is abandoning their RP because they're "commune" gods?

What's with all the random snipes at Narsrim? They are both unwarrented and do nothing to make others think your opinions are any more valid than they already do.

Edit:I guess I'm wrong...

Daganev,

Hajamin isn't a city. He's an Elder God and as such is afforded a different stance in the city vs. commune matter. Fain, to my knowledge, has never had any connection whatsoever with Nature. He was, however, Lisaera's lover at one point.

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As for game mechanics, I would point out that there are several issues here not just this or that:

1. It isn't possible for Glomdoring to produce enough cloaks at any given instance to effectively compete against Magnagora for Angkrag. As such, it is even less possible for Serenwilde or Celest to aquire and use them.

2. Serenwilde's politics are in-part founded upon advice from their Gods, whose opinions are likely to never change. Lisaera, bless her, has had a huge impact on Serenwilde being so hardcore (which I think has made us prosper as a result). The very idea of anyone using a crow cloak is just not acceptable. In fact, I'd go so far to warn anyone who wanted to take such a public stance to get ready to become a gease spot on the forest floor as such is just simply not tolerated.

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Your point is valid in some instances. However, Serenwilde and Celest have core foundations that make them anti-Taint. That is likely to NEVER change nor is it something trivial. Furthermore, this isn't about current leadership. Serenwilde since day 1 would have opposed the use of crow cloaks.

Thus, this isn't some short term stance.





Stop there. That's not true at all. Hajamin was an advocate for Honor, Courage, Strength, and other such goodly values. I never once recall Him pressing "the Light" at all. In fact, I spoke with Hajamin for several irl months on a daily basis about all sorts of things relating to him and the Order... and that never came up.

Your assumption is false.

EDIT:

This isn't to say Hajamin didn't support the Light. He did support Celest as a whole, but it wasn't so simple. Furthermore, He often expressed concern about how some citizens of Celest were so ready to abandon common sense and sweep anything that could be written of as "of the Light" under the proverbial rug.

Narsrim accused me 'abandoning RP' I'm just pointing out that his actions in game follow that acusation much more than anything I've suggested on this forum.

And Kaervas, I think if someone from a city followed Viravain or Lisarea would mean more than someone following Shikari or Elcyrion, although Shikari did hunt Half-formed for fun.


@Kashim: What mechanics need to change for Crow Cloaks? If the RP says Ankgrag is important to get, then Crow cloaks become something worth getting, if they say they don't want the village, then getting crow cloaks are not important....

This is similar to RP by commune members who say that using Enchantments goes agaisnt thier ideals. They can sacrifice some combat curing abilities in order to facilitate that RP.

Hajamin's Lance and armour never came up in conversation?

Actually, some Celestians were followers of Lisaera at one point, but I think they've all either become inactive or joined Serenwilde.

I coulda SWORN there was were some serenwilde/magnagoran treaties...

OH MAN! YOU JUST REFRENCED ONE 10 POSTS AGO OR SO.

If serenwilde was always so anti-taint, why could they have agreements with Magnagora, but not Glomdoring?

I believe Glomdoring did not exist back then. I think we had a treaty with Glomdoring when it first came out as well. Narsrim and Munsia got CDF'd a couple of times for killing Glommies.

It was over a year ago and there hasn't been one since. There has never been an agreement since and why would there be? Serenwilde was punished for even trying to give an inch.



We never had an offical treaty. We had a ceasefire, which I opted to reject.

You miss the point.

It changed.

Therefore, it can change.

Actually, Serenwilde was working very well with Magnagora against Celest for quite some time, untill Merloch decided that the forest didn't like undead things.

All player actions that affected the politics.

I am sure that when the orginal founders of Serenwilde retire, and the leaders of Magnagora retire there will be a time where they will make treaties and agreements again.

And by his reasoning, perhaps that means that since I've followed Raezon while I was both in serenwilde and glomdoring, that I'm abandoning RP as well?

And by your reasoning, Narsrims original point is moot?

Your really good at completely not understand me...

Narsrim was the one arguing that to have multiple priorities and to mix and match ideals would be to abandonded all RP.

Do remember, that I myself have had shifty alliances between cities and communes. NONE of which had anything to do with metagaming, and everything to do with following the history and story of my charachter.

Psh, Daevos won't retire! He going to find some way to download his brain into the internet and rule for all of eternity!

And are you referring to Narsrims first post on the entire thread, Dyr? I don't see how it annuls it...