Sound like good arguments, but wouldn't it be boring if one side had all of the villages anyway? This is a very team oriented game and it seems easy for a side (like Glomdoring and Celest) to get stuck in a downward spiral of power as unlike some other IREs a single kickass person isn't going to make a difference as long as they're single. You guys have almost everything you can possibly get so why not be satisfied with that.

I would wear a crow cloak for the coolness poseur goth appeal.
Icly, nope, such a foul thing would not touch my fair Dracnari skin
Glom should go out and preach the supremity of Night and Crow, I would like to see such rp take place, I think it would be neat!
love-mimi

We do, actually. We just don't care enough about you to say such things where you can hear.

I think Simimi actually meant what she said. I.e going out and preaching to OTHER PEOPLE.

My opinion is that, while some untainted character would have no problem with using Crow Cloaks, (Veri wouldn't mind, for example, if he really thought it was necessary, in the long run, to take a village. Although he might object on the grounds that they're tacky.) most people would. And obtaining them is a problem. So yes, Magnagora and Glomdoring do have an unfair advantage over Paavik, and an uncontestable domain over Angkrag. While this is justified IC, it's a big generator of grief OOCly.

yes Shiri is very right, I was totally serious.
love-mimi

What good is preaching it if no one can hear...?

We can hear it.

And your sig is gigantic...

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love-mimi

Didn't read all the thread, if this has already been addressed, I apologize.

There -is- a penalty for being able to influence undead. Whoever holds Angkrag can't influence Rockholm or Southgard. To gain one village, we completely lose any chance of getting two. That's a hell of a penalty.

Who is currently in possession of Paavik?

What proportion of undead to living mobiles are there in Paavik vs Ankgrad?

I don't mind the undead thing too much, as long as we recognise that it is a free village for Magnagora.

It isn't free.

It costs them the chance for TWO villages just to keep.

Stop calling it free.

It isn't.



Edit: And Glomdoring always has the chance to take it. Just because they're friendly doesn't mean that it is inherintely Magnagora's.

If I said that I could give you 10000 gold now, but it meant that you couldn't play blackjack and try and win that amount... would that gold be free?

Or would it be costly?

Edit: Also, is it possible to gain Southgard, then Rockholm, then Ankgrad?

It would be costly. A Sacrifice is, by definition, a cost.

And yes, but its unrealistic, unless they leave Ankrag uninfluenced while they wait for both Rockholm AND Southgard to revolt. Or if they give Ankrag to Glomdoring until that happens.. but then *gasp* its not a free village for Magnagora, now is it?

Stop being purposefully ignorant.

Just to clarify:

Estarra has suggested that villages rebel in pairs. I have no problem with Angkrag now as is; however, on her list, she paired up Dairuchi with Angkrag.

My issue was that the paired system is supposed to force cities/communes to be pressured between 2 villages so it is unlikely that an organization can obtain the bulk of them. In the situation above, however, Magnagora is not in that pressured environment because given that Celest and Serenwilde cannot feasibly influence Angkrag, they can always work towards Dairuchi and then just snag Angkrag later.

To add my own clarification - I agree with this worry, just not that Ankrag is currently free, which some people are saying.

Purposefully ignorant?

1. Magnagora and Glomdoring are the only two organizations able to choose to influence the majority of Ankgrad.

2. Celest and Serenwilde have almost no reason to control and by implication protect a village of the undead.

3. Although with Glomdoring's help it is POSSIBLE for the other organizations to influence in Ankgrad, it is likewise POSSIBLE with Glomdoring's help for Magnagora to gain additional mining villages for a limited time.

Alright, so we know that Glomdoring is the only organization with suitable motive and capacity for taking Ankrag other than Magnagora. However, the close alignment of Glomdoring with the city means that even if they had an equal chance of competing with Magnagora in a non-peaced village of undead, 9 times out of 10 they would not exercise it. In the same way that 9 times out of 10, Serenwilde will not raid Celest, and vice versa.

What does this all mean? Magnagora has never lost Ankgrad. As far as I know, Magnagora has never actually had any other org seriously compete for the village.

It is effectively a 'free' village in the sense that if the city wants it, they can take it with hardly any effort.

Is that something that needs to change? Nope. It's fine. As long as we acknowledge that Magnagora can take it at their leisure, without expecting much opposition at all, and we keep that in mind when considering competition between different pairs of villages.

Of course it is. Have you missed the last year of Lusternia? Every major denizen (read every denizen minus 5 orcs or so) can only be influenced by necromancers or persons with Crow cloaks.

1. Xenthos has already stated it is illegal to sell Crow cloaks so the only way to obtain them would be on "Daganev's black market." That's not a feasible alternative for an organization.

2. If it isn't so free, why is the average influence time ~30 minutes compared to hours spent in other villages and ONLY Magnagora has held it? (note that all other villages have been meld by someone else at one point)

Just because they can tae it at their leisure doesn't mean it is a "free" village.

Your logic states that Magnagora having Glomdoring whipped into not fighting for Ankrag = Ankrag being coded for Magnagora.

So, in the not so distant past when Hajamin's order was made up by largely Serens and it was usually a majority of Serens defending Celestia, Celestia must have belonged to Seren, and Hajamin must have been a Seren-aligned Divine, right?

Because clearly, Player choice and opinion = Hardcoded facts by your reasoning. That is being purposefully ignorant.

As far as I understand their RP (which I don't really, to be honest), Glomdoring has as little of an RP reason to go for Angkrag as Serenwilde does. If this is wrong, please correct me. I did think though that Glomdoring was as much against accepting the Taint into itself as the rest of the Basin, they were just a bit more tolerant when it came to it.

Yes, Glomdoring has the means to influence the undead, so mechanically, it isn't a 'free' village for Magnagora, but (though I don't know Glomdoring RP well) little RP reason to take it

My complaint over the situation is that Angkrag is a 'free' village given to Magnagora (or at least it seems to me) in compensation for their low charisma. So, they don't have to fight to get a mining village, but they have no reason to fight over the other two mining villages. This makes for less conflict during revolts, and more conflict at other times. Personally, I perfer conflict during revolts.

It seems to me that, if Southgard and Rockholm revolted at the same time, Serenwilde would sit in Rockholm, Celest would sit in Southgard, and when Glomdoring made a move for one of them, all of the fighters from Seren and Celest would go to crush them in a 2v1 mess. Meanwhile, Magnagora would be busy slaying all of the miners from both villages with next to no resistance. Seems rather cut and dry, and not terribly interesting.