Do you want to know an easy way to get crow cloaks? Its this little thing called ENERGYLINK. I have known a couple of Glomdoringers that when they didn't have to pay the power for it, didn't mind making a couple. Asarnil used to go around with a Crow cloak on just for looks - even though he was undead.

Avaer, I don't like your masqurade idea.. a few reasons..

1. Too close to Fain.

2. The "improvement" would be worse than the current situation.. a drain on Ego is MUCH worse than not having a lower max ego, unless the added ego was like 400% or something insane.

It's poor. I don't think I'd even use it with those penalties (if I was a Viscanti). And even if it was just an ego bonus without any penalties, it would still be just a poor substitute for actual charisma points, as they also affect ego damage and speed.


More like a supporting reason for the idea, in my eyes.

I don't think Viscanti will ever gain more charisma points... aside from being somewhat unfair, there just isn't much RP reasoning behind it.

It was just a thought. No matter.

Influencing speed not depending on Charisma would help a bit.
There's the whole Angkrag thing, maybe it's balanced that way, I don't know.

I think Viscanti's healing penalty is more of a problem, really. It should be removed.

There's been a thread on that too, and it was found out (to the dismay of some and chagrin of others) that Viscanti actually sip MORE health then an equivalent of their class in another nation. Much bigger con+sip penalty=still slightly more health sip.

Seeing that, it's clear the current health sip is a needed 'check and balance' thing for viscanti.

However, it's differant when it comes to ego, admittedly, even though chanters still put them ahead of the communes(in my personal slightly biased opinion), if skill/numbers/determination were even in a Mag/Celest influencing, Celest's charisma would put them over the top.

I wish I had my own test server like the admins do, it would be like miniatures, but with real people.

I'm told sip penalties don't affect ego sipping actually? Haven't checked.

(They do affect mana though. :|)

I don't understand how a level 3 regeneration in chosen terrain plus far more constitution equates to a "penalty." As has been said, Viscanti will sip for more health than a High Elfen or Imperial Merian of the same level so...

Heh, when you need to create a senario to put pentalty in quotes, you need to rethink your quotes.. *nod me*

I still think level 3 ego regeneration in taint would be nice to make up for the low charisma.

Really?!?!?!

Edit:That doesn't make sence, I'm almost certain faeling alchemists get a lvl 2 sip bonus in influencing though. I tested Ibaesha's lvl 1 sip bonus from being a faeling a few months back, compaired to my normal elfen sipping, and even though she was a bunch of levels lower she was sipping for more ego then me.

Could we get some offical viscanti tests on here to verify?

Yea, I was told ego sip bonuses work, but penalties don't.

I could be wrong, as I say, haven't checked it myself. Anyone know for sure?

Again, charisma is the easiest stat to modify. Would it really be balanced to see a buffed Master Viscanti Nihilist (12 base +2 beauty + 2 throne + 1-3 lion + 1 netzah + 1 populus) with chanters with level 3 ego regen?

It also would be rather absurd for forcefield in telekinesis too for Master Viscanti Nihilists given they can already escape the sip penalty (as I too have been told that sip penalties do not apply to bromide potions) with it.

You can't count Lion spheres, since they are -3 - +3, and thus have an expected value of 0 charisma.

So, Viscanti have 12 + 1 + 1 (+ 2 + 2) = 14 (18)
Elfen have 16 base (+2 +2) = 16 (20)
Merians have 15 base + 1 netzah + 1 populus + 2 beauty + 2 throne = 17 (21)
Faelings have 16 base (+ 2 + 2) = 16 (20) and a level 2 sip bonus

I still think they should get something to close that gap a bit :shrugs: Sip penalties should apply, and they should have ego regen, I'd say

Thing is, you don't use a lion when it's negative, you only use it when it's positive. So the expected result will be higher than normal. The other thing is that after a certain point increased charisma only matters for debates, not for the actual influencing itself.

Well, right, so 50% of the time, lion is +0. 16% it is +1, 16% it is +2, and 16% it is +3, correct? Or something? So, expected value is +1.

Here's my issue, which I think you miss:

Faeling: 9 base con
Merian: 10 base con
Elfen: 11 base con
Viscanti: 14 base con

There is no reason to bring charisma up to the same levels unless you want to likewise give faelings a mini-surge.

I don't see what con has to do with influencing. Faelings have a sip bonus to make up for their low con, viscanti have a sip penalty to make up for their high con. Faelings have 10 con, by the way, since we're talking about specialized ones here.

What? There is a 3 charisma difference between Imperian Merians and Viscanti. There is a 3 con difference between Imperian Merians and Viscanti.

It is pretty much dead on balanced. Likewise, Viscanti get insane resistances (physical resistances are huge). The race is fine.

Natural level 1 cutting and blunt resistance, how is that insane?