Discuss .

No.

Edit: To the original question. Not as in a refusal. *cough*

Before we do that lets make sure everyone gets the facts straight.

From what I understand, you can have as many chanters on you as possible, but only the first 2 count?

Also, is it % dependant on the one you are chanting for's make ego, or is it a set number modifyed by your skillrank in the skillset? (my geuss would be neither actually)

One chant every four seconds will work.

It's variable. Base plus percentage ego healed on target.

Is the fact only communes can refill vials that are vital in combat/influencing fair. Is it fair Nature gives access to a lot of enchantment skills and high level skills like climb?

It seems pretty fair for cities to have laetitita.

Alright, so depending on how fast your chanters eq recovery is determains how many chanters you need, maybe 2 humans, but only 1 merian?

During peaceful influencing, the balance to Chanting is Moonbeam/Flow for the Serenwilde, which give us fast transport. However, once we are debated out, we can't do a thing to help with the actual influencing (just analyze people). City warriors and guardians can still chant, and that means they can still help in a huge way. This is unbalancing.

Also, when someone is divertwhoring a denizen, you are supposed to be able to debate them to prevent them from diverting, correct? This is the only counter to the Divert skill. Several times in Delport, I was WINNING against someone, and they were still diverting every balance. Why? Because they had four people chanting them. This is unbalancing.

The only way to win against a city person with chanters is to instakill them. Of course, normally, instakills are how you win in debating, but when someone has 5,000 or more ego, that means about 10 wins on defence or 20 wins on offense. If they have 7,500 ego, this means 15/30 instead. All they have to do is win 3-5 times in a row with the SAME EGO, and their non-chanted opponent will not be able to survive the hits. This is unbalancing.


Suggested changes:

Suggested fix #1: Laetitia is self only. This solves all problems regarding the skill. However, it also keeps young cityfolk from helping. Then again, young communefolk can't do a thing to help similarly, so, it's fair.

Suggested fix #2: Laetitia cannot be done with a shattered ego. This means shattering the young chanters will keep them from helping, but it isn't a scalable solution - with enough people there, it will still give cities a huge advantage. Still, this solution is simple and will certainly help aliviate the issue.

Suggested fix #3: Add a new Nature skill that fits the same niche as Laetitia while not actually being Laetitia. This doesn't make it any less overpowered, but it does make both sides overpowered, which is more balancing than one side having an unbalanced skill and the other having nothing.

Are you saying that citizens have difficulty now getting refills? I find that hard to believe.

And I'm not sure what Nature skills have to do with influencing.

One word: Kegs.

That argument once held weight - it no longer does.

1 really, you'll never get chanters to do this at every 4.1 seconds. Plus i can hit laetitia every 4 seconds with Faeling. (not counting lagspikes)


The fact is still only communes can refill kegs, if both communes refuse to refill those, the problem remains. Don't claim your commune members commercial drive as an argument in that, as it can be changed.

Suggested fix #4: Make chanting Laetitia on another an aggressive action, just like joining a Coven is an aggressive action. This will prevent it from being used in peaceful villages on others, and in sanctuaries.



We get Bromide, you get Beauty and Perfection enchantments.

no to all of them, why do communes always want all advantages over cities, and last time I checked Serenwilde isn't doing bad in influencing anyway.


If you claim beauty to be the equivelant of bromides, you really need to analyze this stuff again. Perfection is mana.

We are only doing so well because of preserverance.

don't bring vials/enchantments into this.

Serenwilde's "laetitia" version is the Moondancers "light" which gives 100 ego every 10 seconds

That may be similar to a beauty blessing, but it's no where near a chanter, in fact it's not even 25% as good as a single chanter.

Also keep in mind that it takes 3 moondancers to run around the whole place casting it every single hour, in delport, they would have needed to recast it 11 times, in about 45 rooms. So, 500 castings of light, which puts those 3 people out of commision for about half the time. And they need to be added to the coven outside the village if it's peaceful (we had to resurgem syntobis and almost didn't make it because of that resitriction in delport)

Laetitia>>>>>>>>>>>>a thing that is worthless>>>>>>>>>>moondance light


Edit:I ran out of bromides quite a few times in those 11 hours as well my huge stock of sparkleberries, anyone can, that's really not much of an issue, and neither is beauty enchantments, as anyone who is willing to pay a tradesmen can get these things.

Mana helps when you can chant yourself.



Right, hence the no chanting in peaceful villages/sanctuaries, just like no adding people to coven in peaceful villages/sanctuaries.

when elfens don't have such of an int advantage racially, and when debating and influencing is fixed up, then you can talk about laetitia. The real problem is debating, don't let laetitia stand ahead of that.

Also laetitia only works once every 4 or so seconds, so have 4 people chant it doesn't make it work any better

We have LESS INT than merians.

EDIT: We have two more int than specialized Viscanti. At the upper levels of Charisma, this means nothing. We have one LESS INT than specialized merians. This is not an advantage.

1. laetitia is not the equivelant of moondance, and if I remember correctly moondance hits all moon (and perhaps even stag) users in that room. Also chanters are often out of commision for real influencing.
2. when you talk about an unbalance between city/commune you need to keep in mind all unbalances, 2 unbalances can make a balance.
3. steadfastness is the key to influencing in all orgs, Pentu found out how to beat people being chanted, why can't Serenwilde?

Isn't this sort of like saying, 'Communes can't get to astral without transing planar! That justifies worldwide flow!' The two things aren't remotely related, and hence one cannot 'balance' another.

I've given my suggestion, as in the debating alternative thread. I don't like debating itself, and the chanting is just a symptom of that. I would prefer that rather than cutting out someone's usefulness, you just affected it.

Laetitia is a healing power, covens are an offensive power, the fact you even comparing them is rather odd. If laetitia gets outsed from peacefull influencing, so should all healer powers and all potions/herbs.