Anisu, can you please tell me the purpose of Divert and the counter for one who is Diverting a denizen you want to influence?

how is communes only being able to refill bromide not related to influencing Avaer?

Cities have kegs.

EDIT: If we can buy a Laetitia enchantment from the cities, I would not complain and see the similarity.

Suggested fix #5: Allow enchanters to make Laetitia enchantments.

but you fail to notice communes still control those and if they wanted those kegs in cities would run out in 2 a 3 ooc days.

Divert is mainly to get to a denizen since is attention is captured, it also delays the taking of a denizen as it makes them stubborn. The counter is simple, debate/kill the one diverting.

eh?

the only offencive thing about covens is rage, which happens very very very rarely, mostly we use it to HEAL our fallen, put up light because it LOOKS NICE (not because it does much.


Yes Light hits all Moon/stag followers, but you would need to have about 10 people in the room for the COLLECTIVE benefit to equal that of one chanter, as specific battles are much more important, it's really a moot point.

I can life with that, I'll ban the selling immediatly since we going to war with Serenwilde anyway.

Then do you see suggestion #5 as a valid and fair solution?




Correct, and if the person diverting has refilled their ego by the next balance regardless of how much damage you deal, what is the counter to diverting? (and the room is peaced, obviously)

which everyone does, but that's much harder when they're all running around with chanters on them, hence the topic

Let us discover an ego-regen fae?



Or, since I doubt that'll happen ( ) ... hmm. For one, if you argue that only communes can make potions, then I counter with only cities can make enchantments. But this is a discussion on Laetitia primarily, and perhaps ego-regen secondarily.

For something more serious, I give you:

Tsuki's List of Things that Affect Ego-Regen
1. Meditating
2. Bromides
3. Beauty enchantment
4. Totems -> Sun
5. Laetitia
6. Moon -> Light
7. Sparkleberry

Did I miss any? On to details.

Meditating
- able to be done by everyone
- slow
- cannot do anything else

Bromides
- made by alchemists (commune)
- gainable by everyone, with advance preparation
- fast

Beauty enchantment
- made by enchanters (city)
- gainable by everyone, with advance preparation
- slow

Totems -> Sun
- able to be done by Totem users, daylight only (commune)
- slow

Laetitia
- able to be done by ________ (city)
- able to be done to anyone
- fast

Moon -> Light
- able to be cast by a coven of three Moon users (commune, Serenwilde)
- effective only on those with Moon or Stag, coven must be formed outside sanctuary or peaced village
- slow

Sparkleberry
- able to be harvested by herbalists
- able to be used by anyone
- ______ (speed?)



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Now, for the question on topic ... in commune vs city, chanting is bad bad bad bad bad for the commune.




Edit: And y'all talk too much too quickly. I started writing that when the first page was only about half-way down.

Right, and we're also saying that the negative feedback is too little and that we should have a much harder time getting those villages. (Although Delport, goddamn was that long, come on!) Laetitia is still a bit ridiculous. (Chanters out of commission! Nonsense! There were like 4 per person earlier, you only need 1-2!)

EDIT: Okay, didn't see the second page, hmm.

Just like we can ban the selling of bromides. Completely fair in your eyes, yes?

sparkleberry is 10% of max bromide/mana/health all at once

unmodifyed sipping is 20-30% of max bromide or mana or health.

Edit:It would be interesting if shattered people couldn't chant...

And to reinforce what Shiri said - the reason we have so many villages has NOTHING to do with chanting. At all. It has to do with the ineffectiveness of the negative feedback inherent in owning many villages, something the Administration is aware of and is thinking of ways to fix.

I will point out though if my fifth solution is implemented, village influencing will get a whole lot more annoying and long. It doesn't solve the problem, it just spreads it out fairly. It does nothing to make denizens easier to sway, it does nothing to make diverters easier to stop, and it does nothing to make ego shattering easier.

I'll give you a tip, hitting with the best influence will outdamage curing, The funny thing is I beat most people without a chanter (I do chant for myself when I get seriously hurt), and once Again pentu found out how to beat an influencer with chanter, why can Serenwilde not do the same?

and chanter or no, while Malicia was a seren i diverted often with her hitting on me, without a chanter, the same with Gregori hitting on me. Perhaps you should wonder if it's really the chanter that is the problem here, or maybe it's because you are not acually hitting hard and I was defensive debating, the main problem being DEFENSIVE DEBATING.

Down with debate!

Laetitia is just too unbalancing to the idea of debating as it is though.

To stop a communer from diverting, all you have to do is start debating them.

To stop a citizen with chanters from diverting, you have to win a debate in which you are at a great disadvantage already. Then they are not removed from the conflict, they can turn around and start chanting on the next person.

Maybe a large portion of this is me always being a member of Serenwilde. I have only ever really fought against Celest or Magnagora in influencing. Perhaps I am overestimating how much chanting heals - can you please tell me exactly how much it is, and how often it can be done? A sip for me is about 900 ego every 5 seconds, so 180 ego per second, with 4,824 ego. Moondance Light is 100 ego every 10 seconds, so 10 ego per second. Beauty is 75 ego every 10 seconds, so 7.5 ego per second. So, my ego regen is 197.5 ego per second.

EDIT: Oh, and Sun is 241 ego every 10 seconds during the day, so that's 24 ego per second 2/3rds of the time, so 16 ego per second.

So, 213.6 ego per second.

I don't think you really understand how the situation is different when you have a non-chant supported debater against a chant-supported debater.

The chanters can refill their person to max ego, just about instantly. The other guy has to rely on bromides.

This means that diverting is EASY. Continuing to influence while you sit and change mindsets is easy. Its only a single huge blow that will take you down.

Pentu was there for like 1 hour near the end, and I mainly saw her running from people through the trees, rather then mysteriously taking out chanters.

Which is much-much-much-much-much easyer to do if you are a chanter or have a chanter.

I mean come on, I saw you chanting, ONLY chanting(not even eating sparkleberries/sipping bromide), while getting hit over and over again by miakoda to regen your bromide back up, the other day; a process that you repeated a few times when your bromide was getting low.



quoted because it's the heart of the issue, in my eyes.

trans influencing, go faeling and you will see that you can easily do this without chanting. I OUTSIP the normal damage, and I can't sip and laetitia the hard damage (and if then next hit is a hard one too, the debater is shattered)

So any faeling communer that fails to keep ego high enough to divert is either getting heavy hits, or is not paying attention.

Anyway by all means make it an enchantment, atleast enchanters can start making decent profits again.


accually no I was combining it with bromide, I had over 10 vials left, now also notice that Miakoda hits a lot LESS then a debater.

I'll just be over here, daydreaming of an ego-regen fae...